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Orwell wrote infantile fiction, and it's frankly silly to call that a critique of Leninism. Once again, the reality is that socialist states, whatever faults they may have, are a tangible improvement on capitalism.

Coming back to Russell's scenario, here's the plan USSR had for reducing the work week. And what business tendency are you talking about in a socialist state such as USSR exactly? The industry is owned by the state, the purpose of the industry is to produce things for people living in the state. Work isn't done to create wealth for people who own businesses, there is no inherent incentive to exploit the workers.

That's completely wrong I'm afraid. If you actually read Marx, you'll see that a transitional state is absolutely necessary. This is the state that withers, and it's not something that happens overnight. Furthermore, it's quite obviously impossible for a socialist state to wither when the world is dominated by a capitalist hegemon that actively works to undermine any socialist experiments. Only after capitalism has been defeated globally can there be any talk of the state withering.

Furthermore, it makes no sense to treat everything Marx said as dogma. A socialist state is objectively a better scenario than the tyranny of the bourgeoisie regardless of what flaws it may have. Improving things in practical terms is always more valuable than pining for utopian solutions that are unreachable.

Yes, there is absolutely nothing the democrats could do having the presidency.

It's not like it's some sort of a hypothetical. China lifted 800 million people out of poverty just over the past few decades. You can also read up on USSR and what it managed to accomplish while it was around.

It's ensured by the workers owning the means of production and holding the power of the state in their hands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat

Ensuring that people have good working conditions and they're not exploited is actually the opposite of tyranny.

Why would it be satire. In case you're not familiar with the concept of socialism, it's a system where the means of production are publicly owned and directed towards meeting the common needs of people living in a country. The only goal of work is to create things that people need to live well. When this work can be automated then there is less work for people to do collectively.

Whatever helps you cope I suppose.

Pretty rich of you complaining about cluttering the thread when you have not made a single constructive comment, and just keep spamming here. You're like a random noise generator.

Amazing that a grown adult doesn't understand the concept of bias. Wait till he discovers that what centrist opinions are changes from country to country. Gonna absolutely blow his mind.

Pretty instructive to see what people living in post-soviet countries have to say

• A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country's economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country's switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary's integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process.

• The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied.

• Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an "illegitimate state." In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR.

• A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -"during the time of socialism". The survey focused on the respondents' views on the transition "from socialism to capitalism", and a clear majority said they trusted social institutions the most during the rule of Yugoslav communist president Josip Broz Tito. The standard of living during Tito's rule from the Second World War to the 1980s was also assessed as best, whereas the Milosevic decade of the 1990s, and the subsequent decade since the fall of his regime are seen as "more or less the same". 45 percent said they trusted social institutions most under communism with 23 percent choosing the 2001-2003 period when Zoran Djinđic was prime minister. Only 19 per cent selected present-day institutions.

• 75% of Russians have expressed increasingly positive opinions about the Soviet Union over the years. Only a small portion of those surveyed said they had negative associations with the Soviet Union. The economic deficit, long lines and coupons were named by 4% of respondents each, while the Iron Curtain, economic stagnation and political repressions were named by 1% each, the Levada Center said.

Imagine being a grown ass adult and actually believing this. 😂