yogthos

If you are trying to have a conversation then we're clearly talking past each other. My points are as follows.

• We see consistent and steady improvement in the quality of life of people in China. I've provided many sources demonstrating this.
• China has a stable economy that does not see constant crashes the way western economies do.
• The government of China is working in the interest of the public, and has popular support from the vast majority of people who live in China. This is again supported by the numerous resources I've provided.
• The government of China predominantly consists of working class people.
• The economy of China is directed towards the interests of the majority, and all the core economy, such as energy production, is publicly owned.
• The disparity in wealth with the west comes from the west brutally exploiting the global south to enrich western nations. Despite this, the standards of living in the west continue to decline.
• Practically all the improvements in the standard of living have come from China in the past decades, meanwhile the standard of living globally has actually declined.

I have sourced all these claims in this thread.

I gave you a long and detailed explanation and you responded with utter nonsense, now you're accusing me of not wanting to have a meaningful discussion. 🤡

I'm not going to waste more time on you. It's pretty clear you're just going to keep ignoring everything I say and repeating the same thing like a broken record. You don't want to have an honest discussion here.

Thanks for confirming that you don't have a clue regarding the subject you're attempting to debate.

One of us can't evidently.

Having actually grown up in USSR, I absolutely do think so.

Not sure what you're waiting for given that I've already provided you sources backing everything I said.

Nice!

Can't wait for people to explain to me how West Point is actually doing Russian propaganda.

Indeed, and that's on top of all the corruption such as lobbying that's just been legalized now so it's not counted as corruption now.

Again, you Wikipedia is not exactly the most reliable source for these things, and I've provided you with very different numbers from other sources. Pretty much every source that accounts for stuff like PPP shows that China is doing quite well compared to the west. However, you once again ignore the fact that the west had a head start, and that the wealth in the west comes from colonialism. China's growth doesn't come at the cost of impoverishment of other countries the way western growth does. Finally, the really important part is the trajectory. Life in China is improving, life in the west is getting worse.

And claiming that when I'm arguing in bad faith or moving goal posts when I've been consistently saying the same thing and backing up with sources says everything I need to know about you. Bye.

Yeah, I don't think rapid growth is necessarily desirable either since it brings a lot of toxic behaviors from reddit along with it. The goal for Lemmy should be sustainability, as long as there are enough people to have discussions with and to bring content, enough people to host servers, and enough developers, then Lemmy will be fine. Growth for the sake of growth makes little sense.