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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The link is perfectly true, and here's Forbes reporting the same thing:

A spokesperson for U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres said Friday that Guterres was against the use of cluster munitions, indicating he supported the 2008 treaty, according to CNN.

Claiming that UN Secretary-General doesn't speak for UN is some serious mental gymnastics.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I'm not gonna waste my time arguing with a troll, but just going to leave this here so people reading this thread understand what use of cluster munitions means and why most countries and UN advocate banning these munitions.

There are a couple variants of these shells, but given that the M483A1 has already been delivered to Ukraine from Turkey in 2022, I’m going to focus on that one for now. Failure rate of the submunitions is reported at between 2.4% to 4.1% depending on the source, so we can take 3% as a probable number.

Each shell contains 88 submunitions - 64 anti-personnel, 24 shaped charge. To be conservative, let's count the shaped charge submunitions as I find them less concerning for the civilian aspect in this regard. This would give about two undetonated fragmentation submunitions scattered in an area of 30,000 square meters per shell.

Assuming these shells are being supplied because Ukraine is running out of conventional payloads, which Biden appeared to admit to be the case, it is logical they will not be used only for “specific targets” but used for general artillery.

Given reports of around 5,000 shells fired by Ukraine per day, that gives us up to about 10,000 undetonated fragmentation submunitions left behind per day, with each having a 10 meter kill radius if detonated.

This is the real issue with these munitions. These will present danger to people living in this area long after the conflict is over. Any country that chooses to supply these munitions to Ukraine clearly does not care about the people living there. Anybody who tries to rationalize or downplay the horror of these munitions is a piece of human garbage.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah look at it and educate yourself so you don't sound like a clown in the future.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Imagine being such an utter imbecile to think that corruption situation in Ukraine is better today. You are an utter 🤡 and you should be deeply ashamed of yourself.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Ah yes, Foreign Affairs is a famous Russian propaganda outlet. Definitely something a sane person would say.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

You sound like a perfectly sane person.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

a quintessentially American meme

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

MONO - Hymn to the Immortal Wind was a really pleasant discovery for me recently.

 

 
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