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Where do you think this evidence should exist?

Well, to start... Contemporary accounts.

Do you think the Jews and Romans kept birth records for the equivalent of working class people?

Its literally claimed that Yeshua was subject to a census, performed by Romans, who were meticulous in their record keeping. We have no record of a census, period.

Or, even decrees by Pilate ordering his execution.

Or even, just, news of some radical with his name, causing trouble. NOTHING.

What we have are accounts from 40-100 years later, making bold claims. Much like we have similar sets of evidence for the existence of a man named Hercules who was a demigod as well.

Again Im not claiming there was a messiah. Im not claiming miracles were real so put own that straw bale you keep returning to.

You are, however, expecting us to believe something with no evidence.

Ok and how do you think thousands of people all separated by massive distances all arrive on the same name and basic stories if they weren’t based on a single guy?

Same way all mythology forms. Tall tales told, and retold.

Why would you think Rome has records of random people?

This isn't "random people"... This is a person, who was so hated by his own community,they demanded a Roman governor try, and execute him. And Roman's kept pretty detailed records about this sort of stuff.

SOMETHING would have survived. Nothing survived, or more likely, never existed.

Do you have any actual historical education beyond secondary school? You don’t seem to

Yes, I actually do, thanks. And none of the mythology should be taken any more serious than any other mythology we study.

So you look at biased non-academic resources and then conclude that the belief is not academic?

"There is no physical or archaeological evidence tied to Jesus, nor do we have any written evidence directly linked to him."

And, not even where it should be at.

But, I suppose we should all accept Hercules lived, was a demigod, and was a great warrior, because a lot of people wrote about him.

And, while we're at it, we all know, and should accept as fact, that Mythras lived, because a lot of people wrote about him, and how he died, and rose again to save his people.

All Im claiming is Yeshua existed and he was a rabbi around Galilee.

And yet, you have zero evidence to support that claim. In reality, there were about 100 Yeshua's (It was a common name), who were rabbis, in that region.

And some of the more fantastic stories were cribbed from already extant mythology.

Its a lot like the "evidence" of "divine inspiration" for the NT is "Well, it matches the OT!!" No shit, the people writing the NT were familiar with the OT, and made attempts to do so.

So, when we get down to brass tacks, this "Yeshua" character was likely an amalgamation of several people. Like John Mastodon.

Loads of people talk about John Mastodon right now. Does that mean John Mastodon existed or exists?

Spoiler: yes, John Mastodon exists, and peace be upon him, and may he grace us with neverending blessings delivered by his Arch Angel - ActivltyPub.

We have things that other people who may or may not have known Aristotle claim Aristotle wrote.

We have many things, written right about the same time, all making the same claims, about what Artistotle wrote.

We do not have congruent, contemporary writings about Jesus/Yeshua.

Why not try reading the link rather than expounding upon a false understanding?

I did. And there is not evidence of his existence, as your link stated. Does that mean Yeshua, the individual, did not exist? No. But, it's also not on us to prove he did not exist! That's impossible (Proving a negative).

What we can say: There is no evidence he existed, even in places it should exist. And, exceptional claims (Such as a virgin birth, son of god, major political decisions) require exceptional evidence.

You cannot prove there isn't a teapot orbiting the sun, either. However, we can safely assume there is not, until such evidence has been found to support said claim.

For example the earliest writings are from around 70CE which is 37-40 years later.

Fine. The closest writings are from 40 years late. One full generation. Did the prior generation not think to write ANYTHING about this guy? Not even a Roman notice somewhere? A proclamation of all male children being executed? NOTHING. Until 40 years after the claimed event.

Hopefully, they lose it to agricorps, and then get pissed about being exploited, and come back on the side of the working class.

I hope every farmer who voted for Trump loses their farm. Literally.

This is one of the main goals, hidden by the flood of everything else.

We have similar things for jesus such as the writings of people who recorded the existence of people who followed a guy named Jesus a few decades after his death.

Yes, we have contempory, verified sources of Aristotle's lectures, and writings.

We have no such thing for Yeshua. The earliest is, as you say, "a few decades", aka 70 years. That's two entire generations. Nothing contemporary, and in fact, contemporary documents actually contradict much of what was written.

It would ge really odd for people around the Mediterranean to all follow the teachings of a guy who they call by the same name who never existed.

And yet, here were are, writing about a mystical man in the sky... Who never existed, as far as any evidence tells us. And, in fact, whatever evidence we DO find, contradicts the claims made by adherents to that mythology.

Hell, how many Romans wrote about how awesome on the field of battle Hercules was... Pretty certain a demigod never existed by the name of Hercules.

BTW, from your link:

"There is no physical or archaeological evidence tied to Jesus, nor do we have any written evidence directly linked to him"

if you argue Yeshua of Galilee never existed you cannot then accept that most historical figures were real as we have similar evidence for the existence of many people.

What evidence exists? I mean, we have literally multiple accounts and writings by Aristotle... Or Eratosthenes... Who would be, by and large, contemporaries, at this scale...

Yet for Yeshua? We don't even have birth records, which would have been meticulous, especially since a census happened at the same time. We can't even confirm most of the documented events that were claimed.

In fact, all writings that state he existed weren't even written until about 70 years after he purportedly died (Which we have no Roman records of the time, indicating even a scenario as described, which is kinda shocking).

In all likelihood, he is an amalgamation of several radical figures, as most of his story was cribbed from earlier, already extant, savior mythology.

AR-15s will still be cheap, ammo plentiful, and they’ll all still be on the same standard.

Oh, they will... Just like the AK. Then, we'll have people arguing over if everyone should switch to the XM7 platform, over the AR, because the AR is so useless, and incapable of anything reliable, yadda yadda yadda.

Again, the AR is only as popular as it is because of a marketing campaign by the US gun industry, that started backed in the early 80's, in order to sell machismo to returning Vietnam vets. I mean, they weren't all that popular in the 70's, even thought you could mail order a full auto rifle. People were declaring the M1 Garand to be far superior, because "So many parts, ease of maintenance, everyone knows how to use them, ergonomics don't need training" etc etc etc.

The exact thing you hear people say about the AR vs AK, or AR vs M1, etc etc

I believe once you tease the causes behind the stats apart.... you'll find most leftists work to ameliorate those issues.

Like firing pin buddies was something I first learned about in the SRA. Not my hunting club.

And the no booze or intoxicants in use while firearms are out of cases.

Etc etc

Both, when combined.

They prefer being the only ones armed, so they can oppress marginalized folk.