tyler

I’ve never seen anyone eating coffee. Sounds strange.

I’m just gonna go out on a limb and say it’s probably exactly how it was written in the project 2025 docs. So far everything they’ve done has lined up exactly with that, so I’m guessing this is the same. So it’s not worse than imagined, it’s exactly as bad as anyone who was paying attention was saying it was going to be.

Also OP is claiming you’ll feel rested, which is completely different than actually being rested.

Birb

The crazy snap elections many eu countries have seem like such a better idea now that we’re in the age of misinformation. Just “pop” we’re voting next week. Don’t even give baddies the chance to fuck your election.

The dictionary definitions are rewriting history based on a word that hadn’t even been coined yet. They created a definition which retroactively lumped nearly the entire internet under that term. It’s incorrect and unhelpful to do so.

Exactly. The 'academic' source that roguetrick (not who you replied to) supplied that apparently '37 thousand citations' are using, was written in 2009 and states that Usenet was a social networking site. Just a complete rewrite of history. Notably that 'academic' source was from a business school.

As someone who was around and heavily involved in tech during the bbs days, then walled garden services, then internet forums, THEN social networking and media, I agree not with you but with the prior comment.

Thank you for understanding my point of view. This is complete rewriting of history by (mostly) news corporations that serve only to make people mad. And 'social media' became an easy buzzword to refer to anything that had something wrong with it. This got very bad in the past 5-10 years (time passes weird now).

However, given that language changes and us old geeks don’t make the rules, “social media” now indeed includes the entire internet. I can’t argue with the dictionary, but I can explain the reasoning behind my disagreement with the term. I think that’s the same the last person was saying.

you can argue with the dictionary, that's what I'm doing here. A term that refers to everything under the sun is a meaningless word, especially when it's weaponized against its citizens, exactly like the UK is doing with 'social media' currently, by having it literally encapsulate every website out there, but making citizens think that it doesn't. The only way you convince the dictionary to change is by telling people that social media doesn't mean forums. That social media doesn't mean YouTube. That social media doesn't mean Wikipedia. (I have some other words I'd like to argue as well, but they're completely unrelated to this thread).

So that's what I'm doing here. Telling people that including these things in this all encompassing meaningless word not only devalues the word, but makes it so that politicians can fuck us over anytime they want by using the 'social media' boogeyman, and then firewalling Wikipedia, or anandtech.com, or fordf150ownersforum.com, etc.etc.etc.

nah I've never 'gathered a misunderstanding' of it. Somewhere in the past 5 years, everyone and their mom has started referring to idiotic things as being social media, like roguetrick claiming that Wikipedia is social media (they even provided an 'academic' source (from a school of business mind you)).

Social media must be a subset of social networking because the literally concept of a 'social' website implies networking. So if all you're adding to the social element is 'media' (rather than just text, like Twitter), then it is by definition a subset. If you see 'adding' media as expanding the category, rather than restricting the set of social networking sites to only those with sharing of media, then sure I could see how you think that social networking sites must be a subset of the media sites, since they don't have media. But I see it as a subset of sites that allow for connections and follows of other users, which would make it a subset in the direction I stated.

From your post history, you’re not generally this obtuse, dying on this hill is frankly silly with the mountain of evidence against you.

I honestly do not care what 'mountain of evidence' there is. Some things people are just frankly idiots about and it doesn't matter what the actual justification for it is, in the current world it's dumb to continue calling it that. I can give two other examples if you would like, where the majority of people in any given region might refer to something as but it makes no sense from any logical, political, social, ethical, moral, legal, etc. standpoint. The only reason being historical (or etymological), which frankly is a dumb reason, especially in this day and age. We should use words so that they communicate something.

If 'social media' refers to anything that exists on the internet (which by the arguments I've seen so far, it would literally include 99.99% of websites out there) then it's a pointless, meaningless word that serves only for politicians to use as a battering ram to remove civil liberties and personal freedoms from citizens. Instead of a law stating "You are now required to verify your ID on every website on the internet" they instead can state "You are now required to verify your ID on social media sites" and then that suddenly includes Wikipedia, World of Warcraft, a website bookmarking service called Delicious, and the General Motors blog site (all of these according to roguetrick's 'academic' source of what social media is)! What is the point of the word if it refers to anything and everything under the sun...

I'm just gonna rewrite this comment in a nicer tone. Your 'source' is from a business school, it states that Usenet is a social network, it claims that the General Motors blog is social media, and it claims that World of Warcraft is the highest level of social media. I really think that is all I need to respond with.

Good luck, I really don't want to talk to you anymore.

It has always been the case. Please provide a few sources for your claim of “academic and long accepted meaning of social media” because as far as I’ve seen the only places calling these things social media are you and news sites. And I’ve literally never even heard a news corp call fucking Wordpress “social media” because that’s so meaningless even they aren’t dumb enough to do that.

Social media is a subset of social networking. Twitter -> social networking. It’s not social media. Anyone claiming that fucking Wordpress or LiveJournal is social media is out of their goddamn mind. Just because you’re talking to someone in a comment section doesn’t mean it’s a social networking site and it sure as hell doesn’t mean it’s social media.

Social media -> a social networking site where the majority of users are sharing media. Example: Flickr. A literal social networking site built around all users sharing their photos. YouTube -> not social media, barely a percentage point of users are commenting much less making their own videos. It’s more akin to a TV station than any sort of social site, and this is readily apparent when you actually compare it to TV show websites!

Social media was never a broad Web 2.0 term, how old are you!? It literally referred to sites like MySpace where you friended others and put fucking MEDIA on your goddamn profile page! It has never once included anything like LJ or WP and that’s such a backwards rewriting of history it’s pretty apparent you’re just saying shit to make it match up with the definition you have in your mind.

I honestly do not give one shit what merriam Webster says, nor any dictionary. It’s an idiotic way to describe what amounts to almost every website on the Internet. That definition includes personal blogs and news websites for fucks sake. You might as well just say “website” because that’s just as descriptive.

Merriam-Webster added that as a definition because that’s how people started referring to everything they did or didn’t like. It’s not because it’s the actual definition or even a good definition.

This law will just make the problem worse. It says that <16 won’t be able to have accounts. Not being logged into YouTube means you get the worst algorithm imaginable.