trailing9

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[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Yes, let's also outsource the revolution.

Will China take over America? If not, why would China change the economic system in the West? Without the petrodollar, there should just be significantly less resources available.

[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Was that enough to turn the country into a net importer? I thought the general mismanagement was the bigger problem.

[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Cake is a present where everybody gets a slice because the cake was selected accordingly.

If only one person can get promoted, or an increased budget for wages is available, could that be resolved without managers, not just in theory but all over the world?

[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

People value things. In capitalism, the ones who value them the most, and who are able to pay, get them.

If you disrupt this mechanism by allocating resources differently, you risk that resources are wasted. Of course you can use other allocations but is that a good idea?

Capitalism has many flaws, e. g. monopolies disrupt this mechanism, but it just has to be better than its competitors to survive.

You imagine taking over capitalism and allocating luxeries differently. I doubt that those luxeries will exist. If workers only want to work e.g. 8 hours per week, because socialism, the surplus will be gone.

If you can make those workers work more under socialism without a gun to their head, then you should be able to do so right now within the legal framework of a coop.

It should be easier because you only have to manage production processes without fighting a war.

Sidequestion: how does a member of the bourgeoisie without capital look like?

[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

You will have to bootstrap it.

[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

How was agriculture sabotaged?

[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Right, but it's not personal relations that prevent the fighting but the threat of being expelled.

You are essentially arguing that it takes capitalistic ownership to enforce social behavior.

How do you prevent knife-fights outside the mall?

[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Can those examples be generalized on how to handle resource conflicts?

[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (8 children)

OK, I exaggerated. You wrote that beach houses could be shared or distributed in a lottery.

You have clear arguments why coops are not an option. My point is that you can transfer them onto socialism. In socialism, there is a higher floor on worker compensation because workers don't accept being exploited. But then how do workers deal with their country having less goods available?

If you can handle it as a country you can handle it as a coop.

[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Somehow you see all the reasons why coops are hard but you beleave sharing could easily resolve the conflicts about scarce resources.

Establishing successful coops would allow socialists to show that their values are rooted in reality, especially because it is difficult.

[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

There is a bond within family that makes sharing food possible. There is distrust between strangers so that sharing is not usual. Generally people don't share food at work.

What is needed to establish sharing as the primary way to resolve conflicts?

[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (10 children)

How do you create close bonds between strangers that other ways become possible?

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