Why would you choose Israel? They have already killed more civilians than Hamas has militants and has given no sign of slowing down, they have dropped over 20000 bombs, they aren't trying to kill individual terrorists. Even people in Israel are turning against the IDF and Netenyahu.
tocopherol
joined 2 years ago
I'm sick of hearing people say "there are no good guys" in this war, what does that even mean to you?
I don't think it is, at the start there were pro Israel points pushed by the media, but all I've seen from mainstream news since about it has been highlighting the atrocities commited by the IDF. Among my workplace, a massive wealthy organization, I have seen numerous pro-Palestinian statements and art, and nothing explicitly supportive of Israel.
Compare this to the Ukraine war, supporting Russia or even being neutral on the topic is highly controversial among circles I've interacted with since the Russian offensive. It is really only among the most potent left spaces, like hexbear, that I see really any doubt about the holy righteousness of Ukraine.
I come from a different instance with distinct views and I am tolerated here, not all outsider views are shunned here, just irritating, pointless, or historically innacurate ones.
I don't see anger in this discussion personally. People here are well steeped in the common tropes trot out when discussing something like Palestine, we are tired of the same points being brought up that have been discredited numerous times.
If Hamas wasn't there, a different militant group would be in the lead against Israel. Even on Oct. 7th several militant groups attacked Israel, not just Hamas. So they might not be seen as a "good guy" but they are fighting on the morally correct side.
Israel frames this war as a fight against Hamas but it is against Palestine as a whole. Israeli politicans have funded and propped Hamas up specifically because of their extremism, to divide Palestinians, reduce Western sympathy, and make a more palatable enemy to slaughter.
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My mom would appreciate it, she had the best April fool's pranks on us as kids, and it's my duty to preserve her revolutionary spirit.
They have killed more civilians than Hamas has members.
I moved from the NW to a city in the Northeast US. I have experienced a lot more interaction with strangers, people more open in general, at least where I'm at. There's the stereotype of the loud New Yorker and it does seem true, but it's like a genuine loudness that will be kind also, it's a different social culture than I'm used to.
Unfortunately in the US many trans and trans-supporting people do view guns as potentially necessary. Glorification of trans murder is common among the right-wing here and they definitely are armed.
I found when I moved to a different part of the country it was much easier to make friends, people where I used to live weren't outgoing in general and with social anxiety I didn't make any friends. Now people are actually trying to be friends with me, I don't trust it lol.
Why do you think Israel was attacked to begin with? Do you agree with Israel's reason for attacking but not Palestine's? I would say the same but in regards to the attack on Israel.