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You know Facebook has released a ton as open source, right?

Edit: ever heard of React? Facebook. Pytorch? Facebook. GraphQL? Facebook. Llama? Facebook. Plus a ton of more niche stuff. Zstd, relay, fresco, hydra, redex, React native..

Edit2: https://github.com/facebook

I used xmpp, and also Gtalk, both of them. Talking both between xmpp clients and Gtalk users.

XMPP was a mess. Messages often didn't arrive if target was on a different server. And different clients had different encryption and encoding standards, so even if it arrived it wasn't always readable (or just completely ignored by the client). Images seldom worked across different clients.

The only way to make it work reliable was if everyone was on the same server with the same client with the same client version. That is, if the server itself hadn't crashed.

The reason Google stopped the link was because while it had very little of legit messages on the platform, it had most of the spam and trolling. XMPP servers were the "soft underbelly" of Google talk, with the small server admins not having the resources to deal with bad actors even remotely as good as Google.

XMPP was and still is a buggy mess, and the reason Google unlinked it was that while it had a fraction of the legit traffic, it was like 80% of trolling and spam and other crap.

And Google killed xmpp? No, xmpp killed xmpp, if you can kill something that's already dead.

People started using other networks because they got used to

1. Messages arriving
2. Messages being readable by the recipient
3. Media like images actually being shown properly.

With xmpp messages frequently got lost with no error, different clients having different encryption and encoding settings, different ways to encode and decode media... A complete mess.

People using that as an EEE example are clueless, or stupid.

Also, if meta starts federating, it will eventually stop it for the same reason Google stopped talking with other xmpp servers. Because it'll be the source of most of the crap, but very little legit content.

So you'd end up .. exactly where we are now?

I used to work in a NOC for a tier 1 ISP. We had an “abuse department” (a couple people) that investigated these and opened tickets with the NOC. I’ve emailed customers and disconnected circuits as a result of abuse emails, so I wouldn’t say they’re totally useless, but I’m sure it depends on the company involved.

I also worked at an ISP for a period, actually worked at two different ones. The first one let the abuse mailbox go full, because no one was reading it. The second they were reading it, but mostly to find new places to download stuff :D

yeah, I'm slowly starting to realize that. That a few misunderstood, I could see that. If you're new to things you've probably only heard in connection to cryptocurrencies. But everyone misunderstanding? It's really shocking. Especially since the context should have made it obvious.

As developer we have crypto libraries. Crypto systems. Crypto layers. Crypto functions.. And so on.

Crypto is cryptography. Cryptocurrencies are just a small thing, using cryptography. To have that "take over" the crypto word completely is as unnerving as waking up one day and mentioning to someone you washed your face this morning and they respond "What, like, the screen?" and then discover everyone only thinking of facebook, even with the context.

I'm sorry, I'm rambling. It's just so unbelievable to me to have this happen in a forum focusing on self hosting services. Where crypto should (hopefully) be daily bread and butter.

Who said anything about immutable ledger? I was talking about signing updates so it can be verified when relayed through untrusted third parties.

So if lemmy.world sends an update to lemmy.selfhosted.guy and then lemmy.anotherselfhosted.guy federates with lemmy.world, lemmy.world can then say "Hey, here's my public key, lemmy.selfhosted.guy have a copy of my data and is willing to be delegated to, you can get the data from him" and then lemmy.world doesn't have to distribute it's changes to everyone itself, but maybe just update 5-10 hosts. And the number of relays will scale with the network.

And thanks to the data being signed, you can trust the updates from lemmy.selfhosted.guy being from lemmy.world and not been tampered with, keeping lemmy.world as the authority of the data, even if you don't trust lemmy.selfhosted.guy.

Edit: This would also mean all the small self hosted instances will boost the network instead of threatening to overload it.

You thought I was talking about cryptocurrencies? Really? You read that, saw crypto, public/private keys, signing data, and thought "He's talking about cryptocurrencies, and surely not cryptography!" ??

Seriously? Wow... I sincerely hope you're not hosting anything public, and if you do, consider shutting it down and step away from the server until you have a bit more technical insight.

Same here, esp's and Dallas sensors. Some also have extra sensors like PIR, humidity & light, and some control some led strips too

Or use crypto. Generate keypairs, sign updates. Add support for delegating updates to other instances.

Maybe add support for having instances getting data to indicate if they're willing to relay update data to others, and have main instance refer to them for a certain time period, say.. 6 hours maybe?

Relay willingness would depend on instance config and load, ideally.

Edit: any reason I'm getting down votes? If there is a problem with the approach, at least leave a comment.

Edit2: Crypto as in CRYPTOGRAPHY! Which has been shortened to crypto since long before bitcoin was invented. If this was some non-tech forum I could understand, but a community about self hosting and no one seems to be making the obvious connection? Wow. And you guys host stuff, that's just scary.

https://www.cryptoisnotcryptocurrency.com/

Just a side note, chatgpt usually does a great job converting classes and similar between languages

I'd love to buy one, but they won't sell to me. "This item is not available for reservation in your country"