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who decides this coordination? Inevitably it will be the government

Agree to disagree. I imagine that fhe government can attempt to influence it and if it does then... it's back to the status quo, basically. Your claim about the pandemic would basically confirm that such is already happening.

As if the majority position is not often wrong, or that peer pressure and mob mentality won’t take the reins.

Is that not what literally happens and is happening right now?

Or that a bot network won’t just rule over it.

That's also already happening right now. I'm not saying this article contains The Solution™. My entire original point was that capitalism is feeding disinformation en masse through every available channel to brainwash the masses into believing capitalism is the one and only system that won't lead to disaster and that it the world would fall into ruin without it. How do you stop capitalism without breaking through the disinformation?

The best option we have is free speech, uncensored, with trusted institutions critically verifying positions.

Holy tap dancing Christ. That's literally, literally what is being called for. The hope is to organize so that the criticism ends up being more than some scientist being talked over by a corporate thinktank employee on some "news" debate show.

I really don't understand what is so hard to understand.

So then who decides what is and isn’t disinformation?

People who take part in collective action against the false information?

I can’t begin to tell you how many times I’ve seen governments claim that people were spreading disinformation, only for it to come out years later that the people pushing against propaganda were not wrong at all. Does Iraq’s WMD’s ring a bell?

...so you are saying that if a bunch of upset people around the world collectively organized the dismantling of the Iraq WMD propaganda, that would be... worse somehow?

Calling for a global censorship authority is by far worse.

Collective action is not a global authority any more than a union is a labor authority. I do not see this as a call for a UN Information Authority. I see this as a call for people, like you and me, to organize and coordinate effective campaigns against disinformation and misinformation. Normal people, or maybe people educated on the topic, acting collectively. Collective action. Like workers organizing a general strike, or activists organizing protests, but instead of not working or protesting in the streets the participants are coming up with and disseminating organized facts on the internet and anywhere else it might be deemed effective.

Can you source any explicit mentions of government being recommended to handle this responsibility in the article or are you just reading it that way?

I'm not arguing specifically for governments to outlaw disinformation. I'm arguing that those who want to perpetuate capitalism use disinformation, quite effectively in the US, to ensure it is perpetuated. That absolutely includes those in government.

If everyone thinks capitalism is the best option and that every other alternative ever conceived leads to a dictatorship or destitution/famine, then capitalism is here to stay.

I'm in favor of combating disinformation and misinformation as a priority. I'm not at all opposed to starting with the topic capitalism.

Edit: Also, this from very early in the linked article:

What if we could fight misinformation not through isolated efforts, but with coordinated global action? Imagine a unified initiative bringing together forces from research, politics, and civil society — a true global collaboration. With that collective power, we could launch massive, targeted campaigns that make truth go viral.

It's not calling for government or laws. It's calling for coordinated collective action.

...and if nobody is aware of this due to dis/misinformation...?

I think one of the things that has been really getting me down is that the methods being used to scam people discourage compassion. This has been true before but I feel like as technology becomes more intrusive and advanced it becomes easier to take advantage of people. Where I live, in the U.S., the current administration is normalizing the behavior and removing obstacles and laws that would protect people from such behavior. Corporations are basically scamming people with dark patterns, walled gardens, anticompetitive practices, incomprehensible contracts or EULAs, poor data security/ + hacking events, enshittification, etc.

I'm not a social person to begin with and this leaves me so fucking distrustful of literally everything. Everything has become a scam and every method of communication has been taken advantage of. I need to train my parents to use verbal passwords to make sure phone calls aren't scammers with a voice synthesizer. All it takes is for them to not double check that the email that says it is from their family member is actually from their family member and click on a link. So depressing.

This is maybe not what some would consider great advice but "you aren't ready for a relationship" isn't really fair. As you said:

But how do I get matured?

For me, a vital part of growing as a person has been experiencing the messiness of life. Failing and learning.

I've known the situation you described - planning things with someone you have a real interest in, someone who seemed interested in spending time with you. Placing high importance on the event in your mind only to have the event fall apart because it wasn't a priority for them. Feeling upset and even jealous. I told her I was upset that she blew me off. It did not go well and she lost interest. That's not to say this will happen to you, but my experience helped teach me to regulate my interest and my expectations because I didn't want that to happen again. I also became more mature.

Yes, you should try to find a few friends if you don't have any. Making new ones is hard but it's important. I'm not exactly neutotypical and socializing is not something I enjoy most of the time. Still, it's something that has been valuable to me. It's kind of like a lower stakes relationship. You like them and care about them - you want to be helpful, do right by them, etc. If you feel clueless about interpersonal relationships you should make friends.

When my previous long-term relationship ended, she was very social and her friend group had become my friend group. I'd only had a few of my own friends and they had moved away or we'd been growing apart. When things ended, I needed to find new friends so I know how hard it can be. I recommend you find something you enjoy, offline if you can, and do that thing with people who also like to do that thing. For me it was board games, video games, TTRPGs, climbing, and hiking. I don't love all those things but I can get enough enjoyment out of them for it to be worth expending the social energy maybe twice a week, if I had the energy for it. Eventually, after doing this for a few years (while I was in my mid 30s), I found a few people I got along with pretty well. They are now my friends. As a plus, doing things with them is less socially draining and keeps me socially active to a degree.

Regarding romantic relationships, you'll need be the judge of whether or not you are ready. I think it's fair to give it a try as long as you can handle failure in a healthy way and don't have abusive tendencies. Obviously, every single one of my past relationships didn't work out and I don't think there was a single one of them where I could not have done better. They fucking hurt like hell but that pain taught me a lot about relationships and about myself. It felt like the end of the world, but it wasn't. No amount of advice or self reflection would have taught me those important lessons without the experience and the pain of losing the love of someone I cared so much about. As long as you can learn from your failure - forge yourself into a better person - I think you can be ready.

I've been in a romantic relationship now for several years. My previous relationship was longer but like all of my other relationships, the failure and lessons learned helped me to recognize and improve on some of my flaws. It also helped me to to better understand and communicate my own needs and priorities. It all helped to create a healthier foundation for my current relationship.

People who pretend to be victims upset me almost as much as people who victimize others (they are not equal, but it is still so fucked up). Victims have a rough enough time already being taken seriously. It doesn't take more than a few false positives to completely take the air out of legitimate accusations from victims. I wish there was some way to solve this problem.

Mainstream and not unionized.

Oh yes they do. Lenin, Mao Zedong and (to a much lesser extent) AOC and Bernie.

Just because the right easily attracts brainless sheep, that doesn't mean the left can't.

Some can, yes. Some subset of any large enough population can reasonably be assumed to behave irrationally. Similarly, some authoritarian might somehow start following a left winger.

Worship and submission to authority is, however, inherent to the supporting belief structure of the right. It's how fascism works. The right, purely and simply, prefers to submit to authority. It's why the evangelical, Orthodox, and other strict religious sects are always right leaning. They revel in the simplicity of it. They crave it and fantasize about it. They cherish the pain of those who have been blamed for their problems (because a scapegoat is much easier than thinking about it). They will keep it up until (and sometimes even through) the moment it eats their face. They'll publicly deep throat that boot and beg daddy for the other one in gratitude for it also stomping on some scapegoat.

Apologies, no. My point wasn't to minimize your reference. My point was to emphasize that things are actually worse. I suspect we may find ourselves in a mix of pre-reconstruction America and a fascist dictatorship.

This is a bucket of five alarm fires. My parents said "We've been here before and we'll get through this too." but that was month ago. I thought it was naive then and it's willfully ignorant now.

Congress is behind him and the Supreme Court is pretty much here to run interference. Hell, lawsuits at this point are just an opportunity for the Supreme Court to say "Fuck precedent, fuck progress, let's roll back the clock."

If the government violated your civil rights, you yourself have to take them to court yourself to stop them from doing it. It won't stop the from doing it to your neighbor, they'd need to sue the government on their own. If you win, you the courts can just decide you are a special case and nothing changes. What's the point of civil rights if you have to personally sue the government to stop them from violating them?

At this point, they're just as much meant to make people money. Kids 4 Cash. Prison labor. The prison industrial complex.