tfm

That's exactly what the comment you are replying to said.

This stuff is highly regulated https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_self-driving_cars

Mercedes has the first autonomous car (L3) you can buy, which you can only activate at low speeds on certain roads in Germany. It's only possible because of Lidar sensors and when activated you are legally allowed to look at your phone as long as you can take over in 10 or so seconds.

You aren't allowed to do this in a Tesla, since the government doesn't categorize Teslas as autonomous vehicles which requires L3+.

No car manufacturer can sell real autonomous vehicles without government approval. Tesla FSD is just Marketing bs. Others are far ahead in terms of autonomous driving tech.

The thing is humans are horrible drivers, costing a huge toll in lives and property every year.

True

We may already be at the point where we need to deal with the ethics of inadequate self-driving causing too many accidents vs human causing more.

Are you talking about waymo vs human driver? It's currently (and maybe never) economical to roll that out globally. That would cost trillions and probably wouldn't even be feasible everywhere.

Teslas aren't autonomous but just mere driving assistants so you can't compare them. Otherwise you'd also have to include the Mercedeses (which btw have the first commercial Level 3 car), BMWs, BYDs, ...

but is it ethical to block Immature technology if it does overall save lives?

It would be very unethical to allow companies to profit from dangerous and unsafe technology that kills people.

Presumably we have the intelligence to set requirements before something can be called self-driving

We already have that https://www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update

Zuerst Milliardäre, dann Multi multi Millionäre (100 Mio. Plus), dann einfache Millionäre, die von Kapitalerträgen leben, nicht arbeit.

Not pay but sign up wall. But I get it. It's annoying af.

Yeah sure. If you want the same bad results as humans deliver, in terms of crash rates, than it's possible. I wouldn't trust it. Also human vision and processing is completely different from computer vision and processing.

Exactly

Wozu um die Ecke denken wenn man auch.. äh... Reiche stärker besteuern könnte?

I get what you mean but it's still stuck at level 2 and it always will be. No matter how good it is, if you move your eyes from the road, it will eventually kill you. Cameras alone are not sufficient enough for autonomous driving.

The weird ones

robotaxis

It's going to be a disaster. Tesla "FSD" is glorified cruise control on level 2 on the autonomous driving scale.

semi

It's already a disaster. The economics don't add up and the few on the road break down all the time.