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Isn't that down to what one individually consider "good"?

I find notepad-style text editors better word processors than Microsoft's online Office system. It's not because notepads are technically better or more visually appealing. It's because I value not being tracked more.

Consequently, he now has to find some means of making a living to support his family.

Perhaps it's down to cultural differences, but "he" having to make a living to support his family? Isn't there a "she" or another "he" involved in this family? It's a bit too speculative to talk about how the Grusch family shares their responsibilities, but if I was trying to expose one of the biggest secrets in history... I wouldn't find it unreasonable that my spouse secured the household income while I secured the future of humanity.

Personally, I don’t believe this detracts from his credibility or the weight of his statements in any way.

Supporting his family? Me neither. While I would have prioritized differently (above paragraph), supporting ones family - even if it delays the truth - doesn't dismiss or devalue his claims.

Leaving government service and then the first thing he does is involving himself in government UFO policy influence through an NGO? To me that does makes me more cautious of him and his claims. Until we know more I don't think we can dismiss the possibility of all of this being a part of an operation to give the deep state/military/private contractors more influence over a government that increasingly want insight.

What if the policies SOL tries to promote is more favorable to the secrecy of military/private contractors than what the government initially would have implemented?

the involvement of Garry Nolan only serves to reinforce my belief.

I don't understand why. Big pharma bro riding with the Central Untelligence Bureau and the Pentagram... That guy is working towards disclosure? Either I'm too cynical or you're not cynical enough.

I think "belief" is a good word in this situation, my own skeptical beliefs usually change if my experiences tell me I'm wrong. I can't judge Grusch, SOL or even Nolan's involvement before I see what they actually do.

What alternative do you suggest they pursue, given their careers with very specific job experiences?

There are many military careers that doesn't translatable to civilian life, and many skills in all military careers that do. But that's not the point. Suggestion? Simply anything unrelated to UFOs as they risk staining their credibility. Policy influencing in regards to better school lunches or rail infrastructure? No problems!

There's too many charlatans in the UFO field making money of their claims, statements, organizations and businesses. Whistleblowers should try to distance themselves as much as possible from those type of people.

Tom Delonge conveyed that TTSA needed a viable income source to maintain the business. Consequently, they capitalized on the entertainment sector, placing more emphasis on it.

As the focus shifted, Lue Elizondo and Christopher Mellon decided to step away

I guess we remember and interpret it differently. As people started asking why the first half a million dollars of investments/donations would go to repay a load TTSA got from one of TomD's private companies and then asking about the 100k yearly royalty to TomD for using the TTSA name, some of the bigger names suddenly became less publicly prominent. As more digging into the deeper financial structures seemed to indicate what people considered shenanigans, people started outright stepping down from TTSA.

I think Elizondo, Mellon and all the others did the right thing - What I argued for earlier: They distanced themselves from charlatans and grifters. Or at least from a guy who thought it would not hurt their good intentions if he made some money along the way.

Lue Elizondo has corroborated this narrative from his perspective.

It seems to me you're quick to take people at their words and not consider history and experience. Have we not time and time again seen reveals in pop-culture, business and similar - Where it turned out they just outright lied back then but now it won't hurt to reveal the truth?

If Elizondo had claimed otherwise, it would not only hurt TomD's work towards disclosure (which I think we all agree is a good thing) but also Elizondo's credibility as being part of something suspicious.

Remember that weekend nonsense about "UFO filmed at Elizondo's ranch"? He had nothing to do with it, but he was very quick to distance himself from the whole thing.

"I didn't film it, I didn't share it, I didn't write the caption, I have nothing to do with it". Which is a fair thing to say and the best response to the borderline outrage it garnered. But it shows he's smart enough to distance himself from situations he's not in control of and could tarnish him.

I think that's what happened in TTSA based on how I interpret the available facts.

You replied to my pre-edit, but I'd be happy to expand on the point you quoted since we're seemingly quite divided on how to view this.

So far I know of 0 officials or ex-officials that have come out with credible evidence, despite the increasing number of anecdotal testimonies. Not even official releases like the tic-tac/gofast etc. videos are generally considered proof of UFO's.

Neither have civilians, but have for many decades, individually, told very similar stories to each other. This gives more credibility to "civilian individuals" as a group than the establishment that have kept this secret for so many years. Thus my assumed history with the official narrative is that it's further away from the truth than observers and experiencers.

With incomplete information, we have to go on what we have. Experience. What is your experience with the official narrative regarding UFO's... Trustworthy? Because Grusch isn't a whistleblower in the classic sense, he's gotten permission to share what he's sharing AFAIK. Does that not make it part of the official narrative per definition?

Do we have any reasons to believe this is the first steps to a disclosure and just not another psyop - beyond some people saying "Trust me bro"? I don't see it, but you have shown me things I've missed before so I'm not dismissing it.

Without any supporting evidence, the fact that he was a high level official in a government agency actually speaks against his credibility to me. I wish they'd present some evidence, documentations...

This makes me more skeptical of Grusch and his claims. While the organization may be non-profit, people involved with such aren't always volunteers. I wonder if and what his salary will be.

I still remember To The Stars Academy and how quickly their claims and prominence fell once people actually looked into TTSA and Tom Deluge. I have the impression Ellizondo, Mellon and several others got the heck outta there as soon as people starting to sniff around the business side of things and saw where the money really went.

I think it's pretty much like this, and quite a lot of half-truths, patriotism, militarism and capitalism that simply makes people want to keep the secret on top.

And a lot of executions, of course. The people involved would proximately have know about it as well.

How do crime networks keep secrets? Threat of violence. Now imagine that effect, but instead of a small time organisation like the Mafia or Yakuza, it's the entire US deep state.

Why do whistleblower offer say they fear for their lives? No wonder people would keep secrets.

The picture was complete, but then I noticed the pawsclaws. What's beyond perfect?

I give money to cashier, change comes out of coin dispenser. I say "Looks like I won again!", cashier dies a little inside.

Every time.

The "Factory craft" claim is an interesting one, but it seems somewhat strange that it's one of the things that has been kept completely under wraps until it was leaked on 4chan - Very much in contrast to most other UFO "revelations" now a days, which seems more like confirmations of long-standing rumours.

But then again I'm not dismissing the claim about the large UFO that was too big to move so they built on top of it and I'm not dismissing the Bermuda craft. But not dismissing something is different from assuming it to be so.

Just that I don’t care until I see something which consists of real evidence

I share a lot of your sentiment, yet I think it's worth having "recognized" these types of claims. If there's a situation later on that would support such claims, just the time marker on who knew what at what time tells a lot about connections.

Humans mostly don't care about rats until they're a nuisance, do we have any indications that there's not any thresholds we just haven't stepped over yet?

Thanks, now it's even worse than how I remembered it.