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This seems ripe for digging, one statement I saw from someone skimming through was "Apparently we've been shooting down UFO's since the 50's."

NZ Government library source.

I was recently made aware of the Magé event in 2020, Brazil seems to be uniquely active the last few years. One rumor from the Magé incident was that military leaks said the activity in the area was on the rise.

Directory names are not enough.

I agree, yet the years-long extradition attempt by the US supports the idea that he did something beyond accidentally gain access through an unsecured system.

In recent years, he’s worked to make a whole public online personality out of this event.

That's not my impression, but perhaps you could give some examples and maybe I'll change my mind?

So the lack of proof is to you proof that nothing happened?

I'm new to NUFORC so I haven't checked out the sources of their data, but my first guess is the same as yours - Self-reporting for those who speak English. Considering most people probably doesn't even know about the reporting tools I suspect the number of unreported sightings is astronomical, pun intended.

This shows a world map with archived sightings. There's a lot of flaws to it, areas with no activity doesn't mean no sightings - Just no data. Sighting density seems to align with population density and so on.

But still very interesting to browse what is available.

Would you like to argue for your point of view and maybe change some minds or do you just want to let everybody know you don't believe his story?

Unless you were there and can confirm it didn't happen, but then you shouldn't tell us - You should sell your story to the media. You'd probably make a pretty penny!

But UAP doesn’t mean aliens. Just like UFO didn’t mean aliens.

Doesn't necessarily mean it, no. But it doesn't exclude it either. If you have any evidence that would convince me it's definitively not extra-terrestrial I will dismiss the possibility from now on.

If you people understood that very basic concept, everyone else wouldn’t make fun of you so much.

That's not doing a good job of convincing me of your point of view. I'd go one step further and say that presenting arguments against little green men like false generalizations, intellectual belittling, social acceptance and logical fallacies...

Well, makes it seem there's no good arguments against it at all.

I invite you to work towards making this a neutral (or even positive) environment to discuss a very divisive topic and challenge you to inquire more about both the general consensus on the topic and the vastly different viewpoints within the field.

I find this very interesting, thanks for sharing and keep the reddit summaries coming!

I think you're pretty close to it. Original phenomenon exists, reverse engineering of the phenomenon exists and the cover-up of both exist.

I'd just love to know more about all three components, as some people say - Even if the UFO phenomena turns out to be a cover-up for something completely terrestrial... Well, at this scale and duration it's probably still one of the biggest news stories ever.

I generally perceive a high-ranking military or government official as a more reliable witness than an individual civilian.

Reliability can mean many things in this field. Observational reliability? I'd rather put my faith in a regular street cop to accurately observe and register something rather than a deskjockey. Trustworthyness? I agree they're generally less likely to suffer mental illness - But would they generally be more inclined to have secrets to protect as a direct results of their high level official positions as well?

Furthermore, it’s noteworthy that these individuals are willing to come forward when it appears they have everything to lose and little to gain, barring any undisclosed financial incentives.

If we're talking about the military complex, David Grusch is a man who was prepared to lay down his life in defense of his country. I'd say losing ones reputation is a small request compared to giving ones life. Would a "true patriot" be willing to lie and spend time in jail for it to protect his country? I believe so. It doesn't even have to be a good cause, there's also the possibility of the recent activity in the UFO field is a cover-up, a feint... And Grusch isn't even in on it. Patsies and fall guys isn't a new concept.

The only way for them to avoid this legal scrutiny was to allow him to discuss the matter in general terms.

I will attempt to find a link for reference.

Please do, I'd like to hear the reasoning behind their argument. But please, if you share a podcast... Give me a timestamp! To me it comparable to Grusch threatening with telling mom, from what I've seen of the security complex they would have absolutely no problem with covering this up and disappearing Grusch long before he came into the public's view.

Some of us weigh the testimony from individuals differently than others, thereby leaning into one hypothesis over the others based on this differential attribution of credibility.

Of course. Even accepting or denying just a small claim can have big impacts on the final conclusion, making us believe or assume vastly different things. But I think there has to be some sort of system for how we weigh different testimonies. I've tried to explain the reasons behind my way, not claim that it's the only way. I hope you don't feel I'm ignoring your often good arguments, just because I don't always agree with your conclusions.

There is always a choice, life without a printer is possible.