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I just view it as a pointless 50 year old squabble, it's current name is SQL to me so S-Q-L it is, ig I didn't have "old timers" to corrupt me during the formative years of my career though so maybe that's why.

I mean hey, there ya go!

Regardless, my real beef in this is if someone makes hiring/firing/promotion decisions based on that. Like a fun office debate about it, cool, it's whatever. Choosing not to hire or promote someone over something so petty is asinine IMO

Oh I completely, 1 million percent agree, and that kind of bullshit was a huge factor in why I left MSFT and went to work for other places, rofl!

Way, waaaaay too many coked up MBAs with tiny small dick syndrome, who compensate by developing a god complex and constantly shaming people over not knowing all the latest buzzwords, which they often themselves just literally heard for the first time in their previous meeting.

Do you say hetips for HTTPS?

No, because there isn't an easily pronouncable equivalent word that already exists in english.

The sequel thing didn't even start naturally, it picked up this sequel moniker because of some ancient trademark beef in the 70s between the original devs when it was named "Sequel" and some company (That isn't even in business anymore)

They renamed it SQL and out of protest against the company people continued to call it sequel even though it makes no sense and 50 damn years later here we are.

Yep, and I've worked with a bunch of old timers who were around when that happened, and picked up their pronunciation.

If it was originally called SQL and the above never happened, I guarantee it would just be another DNS or HTTP and many many pointless debates about it would have never happened.

I mean, I am not ... debating in the sense of 'my way is objectively correct and everyone ahould say it this way'.

Obviously I know what anyone means if they say S Q L and this does not bother me, I just am used to more commonly saying it as Sequel.

Though it is worth mentioning that... history did in fact happen, the original name was SEQUEL, for Structured English QUEry Language, and it had to be changed because a small aircraft company happened to already own the trademark for 'SEQUEL'.

Disclaimer, this doesn't apply to the MS product that is called sequel.

Ah, well perhaps that explains why I am so used to the Sequel pronunciation;

I used to work for MSFT, and a number of other Seattle area companies with siginifcant SQL database backends...

... and, given that Seattle was mainly known for Boeing before it was mainly known for Microsoft and Amazon and Starbucks, it does make sense that Seattle area old timers would get pissed over a rival, foreign aircraft company (Hawker Siddely, later merged into BAE) forcing a name change of the software they routinely use.

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EDIT: So basically, it actually was originally an acroynm, and then got forced to become an initialism, and most the people I've worked with and learned from remember when it just was a pronouncable acronym.

You could have run this headline with a different article for pretty much any couple of months in the past 30 or 40 years, easily.

Hey, maybe, if journalists would have actually done that... people would still be watching traditional media in large numbers, outside of the retiree demographic!

Oh yeah, extreme creepy weirdness that often goes all the way into sexual harassment, sexual abuse, grooming or worse... just absolutely endemic with youth group pastors in the US.

But its hugely underreported, partially because, well, uh, religious indoctrination just is a form of grooming in and of itself... and then yeah, as you've described more thoroughly, its basically a perfect storm of every factor you'd need to encourage and then supress reporting of sexual abuse.

But, of course, this kind of thing is so socially normalized that... religious people rarely stop and just think about it.

Oracle:

Only the best in B2B marketing for our shit software.

EDIT:

hah ok, round two, more directly playing on the actual company name:

Oracle:

We tell you what you think you want to hear.

After having suffered with T SQL at MSFT for a number of years... yep, PostGres is almost always the best for almost any enterprise setup, despite what most other corpos seem to think.

Usually their reasons for not using it boil down to:

We would rather pay exorbitant licescing fees of some kind, forever, than rework a few APIs.

Those few APIs already having a fully compatible rewrite, done by me, working in test, prior to that meeting.

Gotta love corpo logic.

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I've been working on and with sql dbs since... 2011?

Earlier than that if you don't count professional work.

Always pronounced it Sequel, as has everyone I have worked with, at least of those who actually have some kind of software dev related role.

Its got two syllables.

Quicker and easier to say than three syllables.

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You seem to be very intentionally not actually reading the totality of what I've written, to the point that it would be fruitless to address you point by point, as you consistently just completely omit chunks of what I've written, and only respond to cherry picked parts of it.

And no, I was not saying having a black belt equates to a history degree.

I was saying neither of us have an academic speciality in the history of Japan.

I have other degrees, but they also are not relevant to the broad history of Japan...

... though I did get a perfect grade in a course on the post WW2 economic history of Japan, and I can tell you that one of the concepts we covered, that we used to analyze inter and intra corporate decision making was how bushido had been reformed into a framework that concieved of the business world as a combat zone, and to apply similar kinds of bushido principles to a battle for market share, as well as how to run a company internally.

But I am sure you will not care, as you've made clear that you are not interested in a good faith conversation here.

Normally, I would say 'toodles!', but uh, sayonara seems more fitting.

Would you like to quote where I said I find it strange that a pre-existing tradition 'becomes a code when it is formalized'?

You seem to not be able to consider the idea that bushido existed prior to its formal codification.

Which is the mainstay of what I am talking about.

You seem anchored on the concept that bushido only began to exist upon its formalization, as well as only particularly existing as a code of honor pertaining to samurai.

There are no extant fucking 'forms' of bushido any more than there are extant 'forms' of chivalry.

Well, there are extant forms of chivalry, the concept has evolved and changed much over time, its now much less formal, and more an uncodified, general concept of how to be ... correctly polite, dutiful to others, etc.

I'm a fucking History major. While Japanese history was not my primary area of study, as someone whose paternal ancestors married into a samurai family just before the abolition of the samurai class in the Meiji period...

Ok, so no, you have absolutely no experience with any modern Japanese martial art, many of which heavily emphasize not just the physical training and combat, but also very much view themselves as torch bearers of past traditions.

Bushido is a concept, a tradition, which has existed for quite a long time, morphed and changed into different variations and forms, and certainly does still persist today, in different ways.

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Seeing as we are both on the same level of academic expertise on this:

https://web.archive.org/web/20191108042249/https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-topics/g00665/bushido-an-ethical-and-spiritual-foundation-in-japan.html

The word Bushidō was not in wide use in medieval Japan. In the middle ages, the scope of bushi activities were described using terms such as kyūba no michi (the way of horseback archery) and yumiya toru mi no narai (customs for those who draw the bow).

Hey look! You are not completely off-base!

And I never said you were, but you got extremely defensive without ever reading all of what I wrote, before downvoting me, then undoing that, then responding, now doubling down on being extremely defensive.

The first use of Bushidō was in Kōyō gunkan, considered the “scriptures” of the Takeda-ryū school of martial arts. The writings, comprising 20 scrolls, mention Bushidō over 30 times. This text was widely disseminated within the bushi class as a martial arts instruction manual, and is thought to have played a large role in popularizing the term.

As I said, but you apparently did not read:

Don't mean to try and say 'argh you're completely wrong!', I'm just trying to add in more context and nuance.

I suppose thats my own sense of bushido, what with having spent a decade+ practicing karate...

Bushido originated with Japanese martial arts, and again, as a person who achieved Shodan kyu after 10+ years of regular training and tournament competiton, who has personally met, paid respects to, and spoken with, Mabuni Kenzo, who was at the time, the Soke of the Mabuni tradition of Shito-Ryu...

I am telling you, bushido is a living tradition, and a modified or descended form of it serves as the the fundamental philosophical basis for how a warrior should act, conduct themselves both in the dojo and outside of it.

And it is not the case that this is particular to my particular branch of karate... this is a fairly common thing, for bushido to be taught, instructed, taken seriously by many different karate students, of many different karate styles/ryus.

Well, you said 'originally'.

As in... relating to or describing its origin.

Many, many scholars of Japanese history have argued that bushido's origins extend further back in history than its formalization.

Yes, the pre-existing tradition of bushido was greatly challenged, by the Mongol invasions, and it rapidly changed and was reformed during/after this.

and that it was not codified until after the Sengoku Jidai, well into the Edo Period.

I agree, and I said this, but you evidently did not read me saying that.

I am not really sure how or why you find it strange than a pre-existing tradition ... becomes a code... when it is formalized... that is kind of the bog standard way that most societies historically evolve.

I also find it a bit cheeky that you feel fine to characterize as 'strange' the understanding of bushido from someone who was literally taught and trained in an extant form of bushido for a decade.

Do you perhaps have any firsthand training in a form of Japanese martial arts?

Or do you just read about it on wikipedia?

Oh.

I could have sworn she left years ago?

Derp.