Right, exactly, thanks for this detailed explanation.
Of course.
I wrote the first point specifically because I saw how that contradicted the situation at hand, but it is what I previously believed about protectionism.
Yep, just wanted to reinforce your second thoughts on the matter as being valid.
Also thank you for the video, really captivating explanation there.
Is there some good material on protectionism from a Marxian perspective?
Unsure of this, but would also like to know if anyone does happen to have something.
If only the US was using protectionism as a measure to maintain high wages in its factories of internationally overpriced commodities, that'd be a pretty good thing, right?
It wouldn't work long-term. They'd cut the workforce down to the minimum skeleton crew needed to run production and overwork those people. Plus, with China being more competitive in both quality and price, they'd be overtaking US equivalents regardless. US industry itself is dying, and it's irreversible. The falling rate of profit demands lower quality for higher price tags, and the US hasn't been investing into R&D on a level anywhere close to the Chinese, so they have no future in this race.
China's Great Firewall functions as a digital protectionist measure to foster a domestic tech industry that isn't dominated by FAANG like how the internet developed in the rest of the periphery.
Well, here's the thing about the Great Firewall: Yes, indeed it was so they could foster a domestic tech industry, but it was also a strategic move to attain sovereignty in their information space and protect them from Western manipulation in China's internal affairs. See this relatively short video here. It's not so similar in that with EVs, people need reliable transportation to survive in the West as they have no high-speed rail networks. With the price of gas, auto repairs and maintenance always going up, these EVs could liberate working class people from dependence on much of the US' fossil fuel and automaker giants, which the US absolutely will not tolerate.
The US demands a population as desperate as possible to reduce worker bargaining power, increase employer leverage, and maintain their monopolies.
But it seems like there's a lot of nuances here, like how the West uses protectionism to maintain hegemony.
That's entirely and always what this is about.
Beyond predictable. This is simply protectionism designed to artificially stifle competition since the US and EU cannot compete.
Not only that, they will fight to the death before they let anyone benefit from Chinese liberation from the oppressive tyranny of Western companies.
Expect to see this with phones, CPUs and GPUs and virtually every other relevant breakthrough technologies coming out of China that have the potential to somewhat alleviate the struggle of poverty.
As always, it's just class war playing itself out. They will always try and cancel the future.
Thanks for all the free advertising.
Excellent, thank you.
You deliberately evaded my questions about your class interests, your income and housing situation, which is very telling. You seem to have the most to lose from US hegemony's collapse, thus you oppose our class interests.
Edit: Here's the information I wanted -
This person likely also owns a home and land, and has a pretty cushy salary. Don't even waste your time.
You just want to shoot people. You want people to die due to fascism. So that you can LARP as a revolutionary soldier.
Again, no evidence to backup your claims here. You're talking about someone in a vacuum here, which doesn't work in the real world.
Listen if a violent revolution was going to be successful. Liberal democracy would have turned the USA into socialism by now.
Violent revolution succeeded in China, Cuba, DPRK, Laos, Vietnam, and of course in the former Soviet Republics. Force works. Africa is using force to liberate itself from the yoke of colonialism and neo-colonialism.
Liberal democracy was always meant to be a dictatorship of the capitalist class. We got the New Deal from FDR back in the 40s because of the threat of violent revolution. It was meant to save capitalism and legitimize it in opposition to the Soviet Union. Basically all of the "social democracy" the New Deal provided is now gone, and not by accident.
You're not going to strip the teeth out of our class conflict and praxis. China is the new global leader and you can seethe and cope about it. The dictatorship of the working class will win. Communism will win.
I'm done engaging with you. History has already proven us to be on the right side of history, and you have nothing to offer working class people whatsoever.
Enjoy the dustbin of history.
This is your 100th chance to not come off as a fascist supporter. You better take it!
You've failed to prove any of what you've said here. You're a wrecker, and what you're advocating for is the most boring shit ever.
Nobody cares about electoralism anymore, and we're not going to engage in lesser-evilism. You don't fight class war and win by engaging in the ruling class' institutions and the rules they've arbitrarily made to defend their class dictatorship.
The US empire will die, and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
You're here to engage in revisionism and pull us to the right. Just know we always punch right, so if you don't want to get hit, don't stand there.
President of Socialist Party of Zambia: Human development is not sustainable on basis of plunder
The US is an illegitimate country built on the enslavement of other human beings, the exploitation of Africans, the humiliation of Africans, the plunder of Africa and all of these go double for the entire Global South.
Presidents don't matter, really. They will always represent the interests of the capitalist class, and the deep state (or, permanent government, whom survive transitions of power).
We're not going to support fascism, no matter the circumstances. We're not going to support fascists, no matter if they are "less fascist" than other fascists (which makes no fucking sense).
We're also not going to play into electoralist nonsense. Revolution first, reform second.
You haven't even engaged with the material I provided, which answers your questions.
Here's an example of a successful country with actual fucking democracy, and this wasn't all made possible by masturbating the idea of electoralism back in WWII: Things You CAN Do in China (You CAN'T Do in America) Americans WON'T Believe It...
This is your second chance to engage in good faith. Better take it.
You didn't answer my question, jackass.
If you want to stop being miserable. Join the fight!
We're all miserable, and we're all already in the fight. We're fighting against bullshit liberalism that doesn't fucking work so we can move onto revolution.
Okay if you believe all that then shut up.
You don't give a shit about working class people at all. All you care about is hegemony of speech and hegemony of thought. We're not going to bend the knee to the likes of you chauvinist liberals.
All you're doing is spread doomer bullshit that isn't helping anyone.
Listen, fuckface, you've had over 50 years to prove liberal democracy and electoralism to be a legit form of praxis. The US is a failed state, and you aren't helping anyone with your infantile cult-like evangelizing of the existing superstructure of the state that was built specifically to enslave and oppress the working class, people of color, and other relevant minority demographics (LGBTQ+ come to mind)
Die quietly and let everyone else die fighting.
Yeah? I don't mind meeting you on the battlefield and letting our bullets do the talking. You're insufferable and your ideology is at an end globally. You're the one on the ropes here, not us. You're the one panicking and scrambling to save a system that is in complete, perfect opposition to working class interests.
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Bullets are more effective than votes. This is class war. What are your class interests? What's your income look like? How about your housing situation?
Well, not that those aren't useful in some capacity, there's the question of hauling groceries and such home, not to mention we need protection from the elements with increasingly brutal summers, and also violent thunderstorms. There's the question of these things being able to trek through deep snow too, to consider.
I guess you could just fit it with baskets and wear a big backpack... but honestly, how far down the hole do we have to go here?