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1. ublock origin doesn't block them
2. tldr
3. b12 supplements are fundamentally essential for folate defects
4. nothing to comment on, you make vague assumptions and ad hominem attacks
5. you simultaneously write it's complex, imperfect and full of corruption, but also that it's not unreliable. Pick a stance
6. what dietary pattern fits the whole global population?
7. I spent way too much time reading this. Despite being twins, the study shows the vegan group started the study much healther, with a healthier diet, eating less processed meat, with far lower LDL cholesterol. During the study the vegans were made to eat significantly less, and the non-vegan group was forced to eat more than they did before the study. The measures of success included fat loss and insulin again like I mentioned, a poor marker. Simply fasting or eating less would achieve the same results - which is exactly what the vegan group was made to do. There is nothing of value learned here.
8. correctly set up RCTs with large groups would address the problem but AFAIK no one has ever succeeded
9. you can eat a close to ancestral diet without living in the same place... your hyperbole and dramatisation is wild. I have visited several farms, none of which treat animals poorly. I'm sure some farms have horrific conditions and should be shut down, but that's unrelated to vegan nutrition and ventures into whataboutism

Thanks for the discussion but I am done

I had a look into factory farming here. Seems to only apply to caged chickens and some pork. I only buy free range eggs, grass fed meat and don't really eat pork

That is unfortunate though I do feel the pain too. Spent the weekend processing raws I took on a photography trip but only got through about a quarter of them

There are so many popups on your "US News" source I can't even read it. The second link is just selling a book. The third link completely misquotes the Australian source that states b12 supplementation is necessary and careful planning is required to meet basic nutritional needs. B12 is an essential component of the folate cycle so that's another negative for me.

All the studies I have read on veganism's benefits have been impacted by serious inconsistencies between the vegan and control groups, such as people who eat vegan carefully planning their diet and wanting to eat healthy. Control groups essentially always contain people who eat shit and don't care. Additionally, practically all consider lower or loss of body fat a core focus or benefit which is a clear indicator populations are not being compared correctly. Of course health conscious people will have lower bodyweight, lower fat. As would people getting inadequate nutrition.

Dietary studies are the most unreliable field of science. Broad generalisations are made, even single food items are difficult to study and worst of all, everyone is assumed to react the same to a given diet

We have all these diverse people who come from long lineages of specialised genetics for eating specific local foods. There is no single diet appropriate for everyone.

To even begin to have a useful study, you'd need to compare people of similar genetics, who eat planned, considered and healthy diets. Even then it's going to be problematic with supplement use and other factors needing correcting.

I have seen a few good Nordic diet studies, again applicable to only their genetics, but vegan diets were not compared.

Vegans are a very small subset of the population who are health conscious and meticulous, very difficult to find a fair control. Same with microplastics and nanoplastics, we don't have valid control groups as everyone has been exposed.

I'd much rather continue consuming a healthy, balanced ancestral diet.

That is much better, thanks

I figured the colour balance would be applied when exporting the raw to consumable formats

What doesn't make sense is when this is requested, why doesn't everyone else have to provide ID?

it's OK to take a minute and inform yourself

If you read my comment you'll see that's been tried and no applicable information was found

Having this issue makes me aware ADIs can't be maintained for an average person, for a single nutrient, so I am not convinced it'd be healthy long term or during development. Looking at other nutrients like amino acids would probably be a similar story

I've read it. Americans find a way to make everything as divisive and as convoluted as possible to the point it's not even possible to discuss. Other countries have long solved these problems. I can't even find a coherent description of the US voting process but it's clearly not just women who are affected.

Why are you so mad?

Coeliac disease and a broken folate cycle pretty much makes it impossible.

By the chart, the average male would need to consume about 3 cups of soybeans per day? I'd probably be up for double that. If it's even possible to eat 6 cups of soy bean per day, you'd likely soon end up with copper toxicity or toxic amounts of some metals if your gut can even digest it. In addition to all the other balanced food you'd have to eat, would be unsustainable.

We don't have factory farming here