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I can imagine one - maintaining adversarial interop with proprietary systems. Like a self-adjusting connector for Facebook for some multi-protocol chat client. Or if there's going to be a Usenet-like system with global identities of users and posts, a mapping of Facebook to that. Siloed services don't expose identifiers and are not indexed, but that's with our current possibilities. People do use them and do know with whom they are interacting, so it's possible to make an AI-assisted scraper that would expose Facebook like a newsgroup to that.

Ah. Profitable. I dunno.

No it doesn't. People have all kinds of perceptions of words. Get used to it, nobody is going to follow your whim.

Then we need to make them run our railways and postal service.

It's possible that they already do it in their spare time.

Lucas is married to a black woman, Star Wars in general is full of aliens representing, ahem, different races, Star Wars 1980 and 1983 have Lando, and Star Wars prequels have a few black people on screen.

With Star Wars 1977 the story was that most of the people in the background were hired from the union in London when filming, probably not many black chaps there then. Or so I've read recently.

About interracial relationships - yes, not much of that on screen, if we don't count the heavily implied Leia-Jabba pairing.

Ah. I've read of a legal process describing a real life attempt at anarcho-communism, ended with a few murders and the bosses of the settlement doing drugs trade.

So maybe it's not at all about political ideologies, just about lacking people of proper qualifications in their experiment.

I've used it as an argument for libertarianism initially, because direct democracy is kinda impractical (thought me back then, LOL), but having grown up a bit I see the need for big militaries and in general synchronous pooling of resources, which libertarian models are notoriously not very good at.

But right now things just as impractical as direct democracy are implemented everywhere, so times have changed.

Well, it is one big process.

Hard to trace the power which allowed for all those slow processes of subversion to happen, but a lot of it stems ultimately from the USSR's breakup and those who managed to make profit on it.

Western countries' MIC's which no more had to prepare for real war, so same big funding, but less accountability. Western politicians making profit on reducing their militaries - it's a profitable process of selling properties and scrapping tech and such. Western advisors in ex-USSR helping their new mafia elites. Western businesses who first managed to secure some agreements to do business in ex-USSR.

Then - the tech sector, via plenty of qualified labor from ex-USSR moving to USA and other western countries. Cheap fossil fuels sold by Russia to EU countries, which became a major factor in their economies in the 90s and 00s.

Politicians in this were very notably not complacent, just looking out for themselves and noticing opportunities for themselves.

Also a lot happened just due to technical progress and lack of macro-level competition. Soviet system notably had deadlocks because interested parties couldn't agree to one countrywide system. Suppose USSR somehow managed to survive till now, with its collegial and totalitarian-bureaucratic, but not mafia-style, government. Then total surveillance being introduced in the West now and long ago in China wouldn't be successfully implemented in the USSR, for the similar reasons EU countries want to have their own surveillance, but not US surveillance over their citizens. In USSR it would be between ministries and factions not willing to be controlled by others. So in USSR there'd likely be some status quo.

I mean, it's purely a hypothesis, it already imploded and there's nothing more to say about this. Just - such things as now would sometimes happen during the Cold War too, but having a big totalitarian state as a counterweight helped a lot. Like an example of what will happen if this is allowed, and like an alternative (if we are going to have totalitarianism, then let's at least have the red workers-and-peasants kind), and like a real threat in case of weakening of western nations.

So one can imagine that USSR's breakup did lead in many ways to what we have now. At the same time had it not happened, then maybe on my side of the screen everything would already be surveilled (or maybe it is).

A few stolen elections in a row were approved by US politicians and various European politicians almost unanimously, because of "supporting Yeltsin against reaction", and "if not this imperfect democracy, then Commies or neo-Nazis", and "but we're having a reboot of relations", and then with almost open realpoliticking shit about how Putin is convenient to do business with, and if there's a change of regime, it won't be as easy.

So I would argue about root causes a lot. Especially since the root cause would be Western interference during USSR's breakup, first aimed at preserving USSR, then after that failing aimed at preserving Russia as 1) some sort of superpower, 2) authoritarian regime led by Yeltsin's crowd.

It doesn't even matter that they likely didn't know what they were doing, likely led by Tom Clancy books style idiotic ideas of the dangers and chances in that process, and the main "threat" perceived was some "radical reactionary takeover" leading to someone launching nukes just for the sake of it. It even reads idiotic, but such opinions were said officially, however nuts it was.

EDIT: And also there's the subject of Ukraine's nukes. If someone didn't know, it's not Russia that pressured Ukraine to get rid of its nukes in favor of Russia. It's USA. Convenient to have one hegemon in a region, with whom you can deal, except that hegemon might eventually accept the idea that they are the hegemon.

Früher war mehr Lametta?

As someone still in Russia, a bit of the same.

That is, I expected things to get worse, but not "avalanche of shit, cockroaches and rat bones" levels of worse.

Except the idolization part started receding much earlier, when I actually learned English well enough to understand that these are very intolerant societies. Say, where in Russia people disagreeing with you on some key matters would look at you like a fool or just decide to stop this conversation so that neither of you would offend the other, in English-speaking countries, it seems, there was simply no way to survive outside of some echo chamber and God forbid you find none to fit into. But that was like 10-15 years ago, now, of course, in Russia you can get jailed or strongly fined for words.

But I thought there's some deeper wisdom and in those harsher societies people are also somehow better capable to maintain their common freedom and dignity yadda-yadda. In fact that's not what I see.

As a bit of gloating - at least now the "why are you not all revolting against Putin" Western types can be answered with their own regrettable example instead of common sense and logic, these are fine, but an example is more efficient.

…what?

Rephrasing for the slower types - you're not an authority on what libertarianism is in the real world. I have my own experience to judge by.

Also have you read “a libertarian walks into a bear”?

No, I don't even know what it is and I suspect nothing of value was lost.

Their kind never leaves the chat, it's a professional habit