roscoe

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[–] roscoe@startrek.website 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I saw Starship Troopers shortly after it came out. Other than knowing his name and that he was a well known sci-fi author, I wasn't familiar with Heinlein so I assumed he was a satirist. I picked up one of his other books and read half of it thinking I just wasn't getting it before I suddenly realized "oh shit, this guy is being sincere."

[–] roscoe@startrek.website 12 points 2 years ago

Saying something happened is not an example.

Which episode has "a 2020 style pronoun talk?"

Which episode has a plot involving Stamets and Culber that wouldn't be essentially unchanged if it was a heterosexual relationship?

I will go rewatch them now and come back and apologize if these things actually exist.

[–] roscoe@startrek.website 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No one is asking you for an apology, just an example.

Surely you can do that, right? This thing that's so pervasive it's ruined entire seasons for you, you must be able to remember one scene from one episode where it actually happens.

[–] roscoe@startrek.website 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

No, you made a claim. A claim that, so far, is unsupported.

I'm simply asking for one scene, outside of your own mind, where these things actually happened.

I only watched it once. I could be wrong. Please refresh my memory.

[–] roscoe@startrek.website 30 points 2 years ago (5 children)

You seemed concerned when you tried to tell me what to do.

Concerned enough to claim a ~~black~~ gay friend to excuse yourself.

[–] roscoe@startrek.website 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

No, I'm asking for an example. Just one.

I'm not asking for any more arguments. I understand your position completely.

[–] roscoe@startrek.website 28 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Respectfully, no, I'm not going to "try to be less judgemental."

I see a show that continues it's long tradition of inclusiveness and respect for all people by including characters that are sexual and gender minorities. I then see people who claim to be fans, not just of the show, but also of what it has always been trying to do, complaining about it doing what it's always done.

I'm going to judge. I have judged, and I've found you wanting.

[–] roscoe@startrek.website 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

Maybe you could refresh my memory with an episode or some more details because I don't remember it that way. I remember Adira stating their pronouns, everyone accepting that and using those pronouns and never mentioning it again. I'm pretty damn sure there wasn't some Jordan Peterson type that refused to get with the program.

I'm also pretty sure there wasn't any focus on Stamets' and Culber's "gay" relationship. Their relationship was part of several story elements but the gay aspect was not. Please remind me of any plots involving their relationship that would have to be changed if one of them was a woman.

You are the one making a big deal about these characters because you can't get over their simple existence.

[–] roscoe@startrek.website 13 points 2 years ago

That's what they did. Stamets and Culber were just there. Grey and Adira were just there. They used elements of the symbiote story as an allagory but their NB status just was. It seems like you're making it bigger in your mind.

[–] roscoe@startrek.website 81 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

The first episode of Trek I ever saw was the ToS episode with aliens that had half-white and half-black faces and were engaged in a race war over which side was which. It has never been subtle, and for good reason. Nuance generally doesn't work well with bigots. If you want to get people to examine their beliefs you need to shove the mirror in their face.

The only thing that's changed is what is getting shoved in your face. ToS doesn't make you uncomfortable? Good for you, you're not a Jim Crow level racist. Some of the new stuff makes you uncomfortable? Maybe you think about why it makes you uncomfortable instead of complaining about it.

A little off the point: I actually think it's less in your face. In the episodic series when they did something along these lines it was usually the main focus of the entire episode. With the newer serialized seasons it's usually a b-plot. They can devote a little more time to the b-plots when they have a whole season to resolve the main story but it's still not the main focus.

[–] roscoe@startrek.website 24 points 2 years ago

Turning off Java script worked when this happened to me. Firefox and ublock origin. It breaks some things but you can do it on a per site basis.

[–] roscoe@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I've never heard of an employer that requires their 401k match to be invested in the company. Everywhere I or my wife has worked you could put it in any fund available with that 401k plan.

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