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Pro Football Hall of Fame announces 25 modern-era semifinalists for Class of 2024 in c/nfl@nfl.community
[–] rkunish@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Oh I am too but since that's not going to happen I just belligerently adopt the position that every single player better than the worst player in at a given position deserves to be in the HOF.

Here's a list of every eligible player who in my opinion has a better resume than the worst player in the HOF at their position, which includes 44 players.

QB - none

RB (Floyd Little: 2010; 1967-1975, 9-DEN; 1xAP1, 5xPB; 1641att, 6323yds, 3.9ypa, 43td, 32fumb, 215rec, 2418yds, 9tds)

  1. Priest Holmes: 1997-2007, 6-KC, 4-BAL; 1xSBC(1-0), 1xOPOY, 3xAP1, 3xPB; 1780att, 8172yds, 4.6ypa, 86td, 16fumb, 339rec, 2962yds, 8td

  2. Shaun Alexander: 2000-2008, 8-SEA, 1-WAS; 0xSBC(0-1), 1xAD2, 1xMVP, 1xOPOY, 1xAP1, 1xAP2, 3xPB; 2187att, 9453yds, 4.3ypa, 100td, 31fumb, 215rec, 1520yds, 12td

WR (Bobby Mitchell: 1983; 1958-1968, 7-WAS, 4-CLE; 1xAP1, 1xAP2, 4xPB; 521rec, 7954yds, 65td, could also say Art Monk or Harold Carmichael)

  1. Andre Johnson: 2003-2016, 12-HOU, 1-IND, 1-TEN; 2xAP1, 2xAP2, 7xPB; 1062rec, 14185yds, 70td; 3xSF, 2xF

  2. Reggie Wayne: 2001-2014, 14-IND; 1xSBC(1-1), 1xAP1, 2xAP2, 6xPB; 1070rec, 14345yds, 82td; 5xSF, 4xF

  3. Torry Holt: 1999-2009, 10-LAR, 1-JAX; 1xSBC(1-1), 1xAD2, 1xAP1, 1xAP2, 7xPB; 920rec, 13382yds, 74td; 10xSF, 4xF

  4. Steve Smith: 2001-2016, 13-CAR, 3-BAL; 0xSBC(0-1), 2xAP1, 1xAP2, 5xPB; 1031rec, 14731yds, 81td; 3xSF

  5. Brandon Marshall: 2006-2018, 4-DEN, 3-CHI, 2-MIA, 2-NYJ, 1-NYG, 1-SEA; 1xAP1, 1xAP2, 6xPB; 970rec, 12351yds, 83td

  6. Hines Ward: 1998-2011, 14-PIT; 2xSBC(2-1), 1xSBMVP, 3xAP2, 4xPB; 1000rec, 12083yds, 85td; 8xSF

  7. Chad Johnson: 2001-2011, 10-CIN, 1-NE; 2xAP1, 1xAP2, 6xPB; 766rec, 11059yds, 67td

  8. Wes Welker: 2004-2015, 6-NE, 3-MIA, 2-DEN, 1-LAR; 0xSBC(0-3), 2xAP1, 2xAP2, 5xPB; 903rec, 9924yds, 50td

  9. Herman Moore: 1991-2002, 11-DET, 1-NYG; 3xAP1, 4xPB; 670rec, 9174yds, 62td

TE (Jackie Smith: 1994; 1963-1978, 15-ARI, 1-DAL; 0xSBC(0-1), 1xAP2, 5xPB; 480rec, 7918yds, 40td)

  1. Antonio Gates: 2003-2018, 16-LAC; 1xAD2, 3xAP1, 2xAP2, 8xPB; 955rec, 11841yds, 116td; 1xF

  2. Ben Coates: 1991-2000, 9-NE, 1-BAL; 1xSBC(1-1), 1xAD2, 2xAP1, 1xAP2, 5xPB; 499rec, 5555yds, 50td

OT (Mike McCormack: 1984; 1951-1962, 9-CLE, 1-NYY; 2xNFLC(2-1), 3xAP2, 6xPB; 117/119g, 10xst, or Jimbo Covert)

  1. Richmond Webb: 1990-2002, 11-MIA, 2-CIN; 1xAD2, 2xAP1, 2xAP2, 7xPB; 183/184g, 12xst

  2. Lomas Brown: 1985-2002, 11-DET, 3-ARI, 2-NYG, 1-TB, 1-CLE; 1xSBC(1-1), 1xAP1, 2xAP2, 7xPB; 251/263g, 17xst

OG (George Musso: 1982; 1933-1944, 12-CHI; 4xNFLC(4-3), 1xAP1, 1xAP2, 3xPB; 84/128g, 8xst)

  1. Jahri Evans: 2006-2017, 11-NO, 1-GB; 1xSBC(1-0), 1xAD, 4xAP1, 1xAP2, 6xPB; 183/183g, 12xst; 2xSF

  2. Steve Wisniewski: 1989-2001, 13-LV; 1xAD2, 2xAP1, 6xAP2, 8xPB; 206/206g, 13xst; 1xSF

  3. Logan Mankins: 2005-2015, 9-NE, 2-TB; 0xSBC(0-2), 1xAD, 1xAP1, 5xAP2, 7xPB; 161/161g, 11xst

  4. Ruben Brown: 1995-2007, 9-BUF, 4-CHI; 0xSBC(0-1), 4xAP2, 9xPB; 181/181g, 13xst

  5. Nate Newton: 1986-1999, 13-DAL, 1-CAR; 3xSBC(3-0), 2xAP1, 6xPB; 180/198g, 12xst

  6. Brian Waters: 2000-2013, 11-KC, 1-NE, 1-DAL; 0xSBC(0-1), 2xAP1, 6xPB; 170/186g, 11xst

C - none

DT - (Joe Klecko: 2023, 1977-1988, 11-NYJ, 1-IND; 2xAP1, 1xAP2, 4xPB; 9xst, 9fr, 78.0sk or Bryant Young)

  1. Kevin Williams: 2003-2015, 11-MIN, 1-NO, 1-SEA; 0xSBC(0-1), 1xAD2, 5xAP1, 6xPB; 13xst, 5int, 2td, 73pd, 10ff, 13fr, 2td, 63.0sk, 373/533tkl, 113tfl, 90qbh

  2. Vince Wilfork: 2004-2016, 11-NE, 2-HOU; 2xSBC(2-2), 1xAP1, 3xAP2, 5xPB; 11xst, 3int, 27pd, 5ff, 12fr, 1td, 16.0sk, 370/565tkl, 39tfl, 38qbh; 3xSF

  3. Haloti Ngata: 2006-2018, 9-BAL, 3-DET, 1-PHI; 1xSBC(1-0), 2xAP1, 3xAP2, 5xPB; 11xst, 5int, 40pd, 7ff, 5fr, 1td, 32.5sk, 326/518tkl, 63tfl, 91qbh

  4. La’Roi Glover: 1996-2008, 5-NO, 4-DAL, 3-LAR, 1-LV; 1xAD2, 1xAP1, 3xAP2, 6xPB; 11xst, 2int, 5pd, 16ff, 8fr, 83.5sk, 432/551tkl, 93tfl, 29qbh, 1sfty

  5. Justin Smith: 2001-2014; 7-CIN, 7-SF; 0xSBC(0-1), 1xAP1, 2xAP2, 5xPB; 14xst, 3int, 30pd, 16ff, 10fr, 87.0sk, 613/880tkl, 119tfl, 137qbh

DE (Fred Dean: 2008; 1975-1985, 7-LAC, 5-SF; 2xSBC(2-0), 2xAP1, 4xPB; 6xst, 1int, 1td, 13fr, 1td, 92.0sk)

  1. Julius Peppers: 2002-2018; 10-CAR, 4-CHI, 3-GB; 0xSBC(0-1), 1xAD, 1xAD2, 3xAP1, 3xAP2, 9xPB, 1xDROY; 16xst, 11int, 4td, 82pd, 52ff, 21fr, 2td, 159.5sk, 557/724tkl, 175tfl, 186qbh; 1xSF

  2. Dwight Freeney: 2002-2017; 11-IND, 2-LAC, 1-ARI, 1-ATL, 1-DET, 1-SEA; 1xSBC(1-2), 1xAD1, 3xAP1, 1xAP2, 7xPB; 12xst, 16pd, 46ff, 4fr, 1td, 125.5sk, 284/333tkl, 128tfl, 148qbh, 1sfty; 2xSF, 1xF

  3. Jared Allen: 2004-2015; 6-MIN, 4-KC, 2-CHI, 1-CAR; 0xSBC(0-1), 4xAP1, 5xPB; 12xst 6int, 1td, 58pd, 32ff, 19fr, 1td, 136.0sk, 498/642tkl, 171tfl, 228qbh, 4sfty; 4xSF, 3xF

  4. Neil Smith: 1988-2000; 9-KC, 3-DEN, 1-LAC; 2xSBC(2-0), 1xAD2, 1xAP1, 2xAP2, 6xPB; 11xst, 4int, 1td, 2pd, 30ff, 12fr, 1td, 104.5sk, 623tkl, 8tfl

  5. Leslie O’Neal: 1986-1999; 9-LAC, 2-KC, 2-LAR; 0xSBC(0-1), 1xDROY, 1xAP2, 6xPB; 12xst, 3int, 1td, 2pd, 21ff, 16fr, 1td, 132.5sk, 768tkl, 8tfl; 1xSF

  6. John Abraham: 2000-2014; 7-ATL, 6-NYJ, 2-ARI; 2xAP1, 1xAP2, 5xPB; 11xst, 1int, 30pd, 47ff, 6fr, 1td, 133.5sk, 446/547tkl, 148tfl, 129qbh, 1sfty

  7. Robert Mathis: 2003-2016, 14-IND; 1xSBC(1-1), 1xAP1, 5xPB; 9xst, 1int, 18pd, 54ff, 17fr, 3td, 123.0sk, 397/527tkl, 108tfl, 141qbh, 1sfty; 3xSF

LB (Sam Mills: 2022; 1986-1997, 9-NO, 3-CAR; 1xAP1, 2xAP2, 5xPB; 11xst, 11int, 1td, 22ff, 23fr, 3td, 20.5sk, 1265tkl)

  1. Patrick Willis: 2007-2014, 8-SF; 0xSBC(0-1), 1xAD, 1xDROY, 5xAP1, 1xAP2, 7xPB; 7xst, 8int, 2td, 53pd, 16ff, 5fr, 20.5sk, 732/950tkl, 60tfl, 41qbh; 5xSF, 2xF

  2. James Harrison: 2002-2017, 14-PIT, 1-CIN, 1-NE; 2xSBC(2-2), 1xDPOY, 2xAP1, 2xAP2, 5xPB; 7xst, 8int, 24pd, 34ff, 9fr, 1td, 84.5sk, 573/765tkl, 128tfl, 150qbh, 1sfty; 2xSF

  3. NaVorro Bowman: 2010-2017, 8-SF, 1-LV; 0xSBC(0-1), 4xAP1, 3xPB; 5xst, 5int, 1td, 30pd, 9ff, 6fr, 14.0sk, 585/798tkl, 48tfl, 30qbh

  4. Hardy Nickerson: 1987-2002, 7-TB, 6-PIT, 2-JAX, 1-GB; 1xAD2, 2xAP1, 2xAP2, 5xPB; 14xst, 12int, 24pd, 19ff, 14fr, 21.0sk, 1584tkl, 16tfl

  5. Lance Briggs: 2003-2014, 12-CHI; 0xSBC(0-1), 1xAP1, 2xAP2, 7xPB; 12xst, 16int, 5td, 84pd, 16ff, 7fr, 1td, 15.0sk, 936/1174tkl, 97tfl, 24qbh

  6. Cornelius Bennett: 1987-2000, 9-BUF, 3-ATL, 2-IND; 0xSBC(0-5), 1xAD2, 1xAP1, 5xPB; 13xst, 7int, 1td, 9pd, 31ff, 27fr, 1td, 71.5sk, 1190tkl, 16tfl; 1xSF

  7. Joey Porter: 1999-2011, 8-PIT, 3-MIA, 2-ARI; 1xSBC(1-0), 1xAD2, 1xAP1, 3xAP2, 4xPB; 11xst, 12int, 1td, 49pd, 25ff, 10fr, 2td, 98.0sk, 498/665tkl, 124tfl, 72qbh, 1sfty

  8. Bryce Paup: 1990-2000, 5-GB, 3-BUF, 2-JAX, 1-MIN; 1xDPOY, 1xAP1, 4xPB; 8xst, 6int, 1td, 3pd, 15ff, 6fr, 75.0sk, 545tkl, 7tfl, 1sfty

CB (Ken Riley: 2023, 1969-1983, 15-CIN; 0xSBC(0-1), 1xAP1, 2xAP2; 15xst, 65int, 5td, 18fr)

  1. Eric Allen: 1988-2001, 7-PHI, 4-NO, 3-LV; 1xAP1, 2xAP2, 6xPB; 14xst, 54int, 8td, 40pd, 6ff, 7fr, 1td, 3.0sk, 789tkl, 57tfl, 1qbh; 4xSF

  2. Sam Madison: 1997-2008, 9-MIA, 3-NYG; 1xSBC(1-0), 2xAP1, 2xAP2, 4xPB; 10xst, 38int, 2td, 103pd, 10ff, 6fr, 1td, 2.0sk, 377/471tkl, 22tfl, 2qbh, 1sfty

S (John Lynch: 2021; 1993-2007, 11-TB, 4-DEN; 1xSBC(1-0), 2xAP1, 2xAP2, 9xPB; 12xst, 26int, 68pd, 16ff, 9fr, 13.0sk, 736/1054tkl, 28tfl, 4qbh)

  1. Darren Sharper: 1997-2010, 8-GB, 4-MIN, 2-NO; 1xSBC(1-0), 1xAD2, 2xAP1, 4xAP2, 5xPB; 12xst, 63int, 11td, 123pd, 8ff, 8fr, 2td, 7.5sk, 731/942tkl, 28tfl, 3qbh (but he's a convicted serial rapist so I guess you can say this one doesn't count)
Pro Football Hall of Fame announces 25 modern-era semifinalists for Class of 2024 in c/nfl@nfl.community
[–] rkunish@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Unless we're gonna start taking guys out of the HOF there's about 10-15 of these guys who are absolutely HOF quality based on previously inducted players at their positions. And probably another 10 or so who aren't even semi-finalists.

Pro Football Hall of Fame announces 25 modern-era semifinalists for Class of 2024 in c/nfl@nfl.community
[–] rkunish@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

This time definitely not, but history suggests any player who is a semi-finalist on their first ballot is pretty likely to get in the HOF eventually & he was a semi-finalist last year.

Pro Football Hall of Fame announces 25 modern-era semifinalists for Class of 2024 in c/nfl@nfl.community
[–] rkunish@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Fred Taylor is not the best eligible RB not in the HOF, he just has the most rushing yards of any RB not in the HOF. The two best eligible RB's, Shaun Alexander & Priest Holmes, aren't even on this list.

Reggie Wayne & Andre Johnson were both better than the three WR's you list.

James Harrison's INT was not the most important play in Super Bowl history. It is probably the best play, but definitely not the most important.

Pro Football Hall of Fame announces 25 modern-era semifinalists for Class of 2024 in c/nfl@nfl.community
[–] rkunish@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I wouldn't exactly call Jeff Saturday a snub, there's arguably two other eligible centers with resumes just as good or better in Nick Mangold and Olin Kreutz. And all 3 of them are solidly worse than the worst couple centers to ever get in the HOF. They'd all be more or less fine semi-finalists but nothing more.

The biggest snub of any O-Lineman is definitely Steve Wisniewski who's now only 2 years away from his eligibility expiring.

Kevin Williams should probably already be in the HOF, if it we're up to me Shane Lechler would have been at least a finalist last year on his first ballot, & Ngata's definitely more deserving than any of the RB's on this list and