rglullis

I didn't know that I had to power of changing the nature of things and their abilities just because of the name being used.

Worrying about the name is the same as saying "we shouldn't make a distinction between mobile apps and web browsers because they both use HTTP".

Why bother with BlueSky over Mastodon?

Bluesky's model of federation fixes the whole "if my instance goes down I lose everything".

Your Identity and your data is portable, which means that each server on Bluesky is "merely" a service provider.

But the protocol is the least important thing, it's the applications that come out of it.

Granted, I think it would be an improvement if we didn't have to care or think about what server you are using and people could keep their same identity regardless of the application they are using.

Yeah, it would be nice if I could keep my "communick.com" handle everywhere, but my usage and conversations on Lemmy are different from when I am on Mastodon. The audiences are different. It's a good example of The medium is the message.

I don't see it as "telling people how to use it". What I wonder is how would people react differently if those were not really bots but just the people from Reddit actually moving over here. Would they keep complaining about people "flooding" or would they just accept that curating and filtering is indeed part of the toolbelt and should be used for this.

It's more or less the same people that complain about the bridges "because of privacy", but would be better off if they understood that using a "public social network" and keep expecting "privacy" is just the wrong tool for the job. If someone is using a system in a way that is not aligned with its intended design, there is no point in complaining about others breaking your expectations.

Anyway, I digress. I appreciate the improved tone in the conversation. I just hope that we can make it more productive as well.

Exactly. "What doesn't kills us makes us stronger".

I feel kind of silly talking about "mission", even more so when talking about a tool. What is "the actual mission of Lemmy"?

But let's say that you are talking about the mission of the people working on the project. Do you think that something as crucial as our online communication networks should be majorly controlled by corporations? If you are using friendica, I guess you don't share that opinion, right?

And if you don't share that opinion, do you think that this "as long as I am out, I don't care about the others" approach is effective? I think that the best way to ensure that we get to have a corporate-free internet, we need to work as hard as possible to make that the reality of the majority, not just a niche thing.

And yes, Communick is a commercial provider, but you got the order wrong. I created Communick to help me to achieve this goal of having open systems available to everyone, making money and having Communick growing is a means, not an end. And quite frankly, Communick has been nothing but a money pit. I'm still running it because I'm stubborn. If I just cared about money I'd be working at Google.

Funny you mention the bots.

Not only I don't see any "harm" done there (I mean, really, was there any bad serious consequence of a system that replicated a few million comments?), to me it's a good example of this "progressive" generation acting like extreme reactionaries. Instead of adapting to a new scenario (hey, browsing by all is not really going to work if we have that many people posting content, maybe I should learn to curate the communities) and trying to learn with the new information and see where it would go, most people were just decided to take it as a personal attack on them (it wasn't) and their preferences.

Likewise, I refuse to see "trying to hard to get people to switch" as a bad thing. I honestly see it as a moral imperative: if corporate-controlled social media is bad for us, and if any social network depends on a sizable number of participants, then it stands to reason that we are only going to have a "healthy" internet when the mainstream is here. This is not just a fight over what site people use to share stupid memes, this is about not letting our collective imagination and culture be controlled by some oligarchs.

We could… but people have concerns about their communities being always operational and their accounts always working.

Part of the job of any project manager is setting the right expectations. We shouldn't be promising a flawless execution and we should be upfront to mods and the userbase that the whole idea is to do this as an exercise to find out the issues and learn the best workarounds, so that we can be ready to do it in a larger scale.

That's good to know. Is there any particular sub that you are seeing this movement? Would they be interested in joining alien.top?

So? You still need to convince the people of that community that it’s a good idea, or do you think they will just follow a handful of mods blindly?

Even the longest of the journeys start with a single step.

You are right, we need to find a mod that is willing to do it.

Then we need to work on how to message it for the redditors

Then we need to collect feedback and see what is working and what needs improvement.

Then we need to improve the existing Lemmy clients, because onboarding is still messy. I'd like to make a "friendly" fork of Voyager which can use my "login with Reddit" system to auto-migrate users, but if the main dev doesn't want to accept, I guess I will have to manage the fork myself.

Then we will need to improve the existing servers, because we are not really ready for 100-200k active users.

Then we will need to find a way to save on resources, because the new version of Lemmy is a hog.

Then...

Then...

Then...

I know it's a lot of work, but it makes no sense to let be taken by anxiety and just looking at everything that needs to be done. I'm just asking for you to look at the first step.

Sorry, not willing to engage in sophistry. If you can participate in the discussion from friendica, more power to you, but at the end of the day it's a lot easier to get people to use something if they understand the practical applications instead of the underlying definitions of the protocol. We need to put our marketer hats for this one.

Can I screenshot this and add to a "testimonials" area of my github? :)