rglullis

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[–] rglullis@communick.news 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

I know you said it is a brain dump, but your follow up still seems mostly an emotional reaction to how the devs responded rather than a reasoning synthesis process.

E.g, your "Where Fediverse Software Differs", it seems like you want to pay off the set up you've placed in the previous paragraph (about the difficulty of being an open source developer), but this payoff never comes and instead you end up the argument with "The feature requests valid, and the devs responded like dicks".

Even if we take "the feature request was valid" for granted, it does not follow that the devs must act on it right away. If the Lemmy devs acknowledged the issue and said "You are absolutely right and we strongly advise anyone hosting an instance in the EU if they are worried about GDPR", then what? Do you think that whoever wrote the "perfectly valid feature request" should still be pushing for making it a higher priority? On what grounds?

Also:

The operators, who to some degree help the project gain visibility, support, and money, are themselves doing unpaid labor: community building, moderation (...)

shouldn't ever be used as an excuse to justify free labor from developers. This is not Self-Loathing and Display of Low Self-Steem Olympics. Anyone that comes to me with a "I'm not gaining anything from my work" argument will promptly receive "The fact that you can not establish boundaries and are martyring yourself is not my problem" as a response.

The fact that developers of FOSS software project are able to tell users "If you want something done, you need to give us the resources or do it yourself" should be lauded, not criticized or be seen as "dicks".

If instance owners are dealing with bad users "and not getting paid for it", they can do two things: close down the instance, or put proper boundaries and tell what they are willing and not willing to do for free. Alternatively, they can do what I do and make the relationship explicitly transactional: I'm more than willing to work a lot to solve my customer's problems, but this is only after they actually paid me for it. The fact that I only accept paying customers makes my instance noticeably easier to manage. Even if I'm charging way less than what some people would donate to their favorite instance, the fact that all the users from the instances are paying make for an excellent filter.

The common denominator is relatively simple to understand: good optics of a project leads to more users, leads to more communities, leads to people building all kinds of apps and tools for those communities, leads to more people being willing to donate to a project.

This "donation-based" approach needs to change. Mastodon has no problems with "optics", and its "Founder and CEO" is reportedly making 30000€ as yearly salary. This is ridiculously low. This is less than what an intern makes at Facebook. The three Lemmy devs are sharing less than 4k€/month. You can make more money by working part-time on Uber Eats. To think that this is enough to claim "they are making some money" is frankly absurd.

If society in general is so tired of exploitative Big Tech, society needs to give a strong signal that it's willing to pay for the alternative. If we don't want to have the most brilliant minds of our generation working on how to optimize the amount of ads that you get to see online, then we need to show that those building better solutions can be properly rewarded. It's not up to the developers to try to build out everything perfectly and then go around begging for people for breadcrumbs and their seal of approval.

To sum up: I'm not saying that developers need to be worshipped because they can do what others can't. I'm also not saying that the Lemmy devs were right in how they communicate with its users, but I am saying that they are absolutely right in establishing their priorities and not let their work be dictated by someone that is not putting any Skin on The Game.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Nah, I feel cheated by Fairphone. With the whole FP3 and FP3+, they were leading with the idea that they have settled on the form factor, and then just evolve the separate mainboard/camera/display modules independently. With the FP4, they scraped all that and just chased whatever was trendy at the time and cranked the "but the environment" marketing.

I paid the Fairphone premium knowing that the specs were crap, but that at least in the future I wouldn't need to upgrade by buying a whole phone. Promising to have software upgrades for 8 years is nice, but it's worthless if you can not upgrade any of the hardware in the meantime.

For now I will just go buy a "budget premium" Android and pray that the people from frame.work decide to extend into phones as well in the next 2-3 years.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The whole Motorola G have both, and there are some Motorola devices with LineageOS. I guess I need to find any developer mentioning interest in working with the newer models and buy accordingly (and donate what I can to keep them going)

[–] rglullis@communick.news 4 points 2 years ago (5 children)

But the Pixel phones do not have headphone jacks nor sd card slots...

[–] rglullis@communick.news 5 points 2 years ago

So you are not willing to contribute, you are just here to dismiss whatever effort people make and to feel smug about it.

It's the worst type of leech behavior. All high and mighty to talk about the law, but no fundamental sense of ethics and no willingness to put skin in the game.

And the most shameful part, you are likely in the majority.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"You get what you pay for".

[–] rglullis@communick.news 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Lemmy instances are also non-commercial projects.

So why should they be expecting commercial-level support?

[–] rglullis@communick.news 2 points 2 years ago

Thank you for your kind words, and if you don't mind me taking this opportunity to remind everyone that you can support me via github and (even better) by joining Communick. Getting the grant would be nice, but being able to get continued support from the people that are really part of the Fediverse would be the perfect way for me to contribute and give back as well.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

But it needs to be done, even if nobody wants to do it.

Nobody wants to do it for free. Show some actual support to the developers, let's help them find a way to let work on something without worrying about how they will keep a roof over their heads, and I can bet that things will start being prioritized accordingly.

If you want any open source project to be more than "a student project thrown together", then we need to treat the people working on it as professionals. And how well are these professionals being treated by this "community", if is not able to collectively pay for one FT developer and where the "CTO" of Mastodon GmbH makes less than what an intern can get at Facebook?

And since I'm feeling like a rant is brewing inside me, allow me to vent a little: when I mean "developers", it doesn't need to be the Lemmy team exactly. As I said in the top comment, my fediverser project already added an "admin" backend that could be used by staff and moderation. it wouldn't be difficult at all to turn it into a center dashboard for moderation, and it could even be made to have a granular permission system. From the reasonable amount of people that expressed interest, how many do you think actually opened up their wallets to help? Zero

Back in July when Reddit revealed its true colors, I thought people finally understood the importance of paying for the products they use, so I took the opportunity to pledge 20% of Communick's profits to the Fediverse projects that I offer. I thought it would be a win-win-win situation: I could acquire customers, users would have expert help to figure out their issues and hopefully even help steering the direction of the project, and developers would have some form of income while not having to deal with a barrage of requests from the non-technical mob. How well do you think that went? Let me tell you: The handful of paying customers that I have are amazing, but they are simply not enough for me to even the server bills.

It frustrates me to no end when I think of how "anti-capitalistic" people here claim to be, yet I can bet that if we got only the the North American users who have bought an iPhone to pay $1/month, we would probably be able to fund all of the leading fediverse projects and kill Big Tech.

There, rant over.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Regarding status of fediverser: https://communick.news/comment/1760608

Still waiting for an update from NLNet

[–] rglullis@communick.news 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

caddy can serve the files and deal with SSL certificates in case you put this in a public domain.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

then devs need to adapt or nobody will be using it.

Or the people that want to use it can hire other developers to add the missing functionality, or develop themselves, or implement some tedious-but-functional process that satisfies the legal requirements, etc, etc.

My point is:

  • No developer from an open source project should feel responsible for how the software is being used by others
  • No open source developer should feel pressured into working on something just because someone needs it.

If people don't like the Lemmy devs and want to use something else that fulfills their needs, fine. But this "I opened a bunch of issues on Github and I demand the developers to work on them ASAP" is really not the way to go.

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