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[–] rah@feddit.uk 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

practical cases show that when such groups are created they are unbelievable stable and don't collapse

This seems odd. If such groups are extant now on planet Earth and have proven to be unbelievably stable then where are the sociopathy-less societies that they have fostered? If there are no sociopathy-less societies, then the idea that prefigurative communities can be effective would appear to be false.

outside of external pressure

This seems to be key. There will never be an absence of outside pressure which, again, implies that preconfigurative communities cannot be effective.

Very simply that there is no "reward" to be had for asocial behavior. When there is no hierarchical power or wealth accumulation to be had, acting in a way that alienates those around you doesn't provide any benefits.

This is just a regress. How can one create a community without reward for asocial behaviour? In other words, how can one create a human social group without benefits for getting ahead of one's peers? How can one avoid getting ahead of one's peers at the skilled endeavour of not getting ahead of one's peers?

As I understand it, that's not how human social groups work. We inherently and necessarily create hierarchy. It's built in. It's how we've evolved. Like chimpansees.

I've been (peripherally) involved in organisations that superficially espoused non-hierarchical ideals but in practice had those who drove the group forward and whose opinions were given more weight than others. Unsurprisingly because it's built in for people to be like this when they're in a group. There's even a specialised part of the mind whose sole purpose is to attempt to construct other people's opinions of us so that we can be better at gaining social standing.

These kinds of behaviours and social structures are instinctive and stem from our evolution. We can't get rid of them. We can't create a human society without hierarchy any more than we can create a human society without breathing.

You seem to have a lot of questions about anarchism

Not really, your comment just piqued my interest. I'm curious if you actually have a practical plan for bringing about such a society or whether it's just an exercise in "wouldn't it be nice if.." like Marxism and the Venus Project.

[–] rah@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (11 children)

Maybe this will help

OK, read that, seems pretty simple to me.

How do you propose preconfiguring in a way that doesn't promote sociopathy? To quote the page you linked to:

Prefigurative communities often struggle with financial sustainability, external pressures such as state repression and conflictual internal dynamics, such as tension between those who want to do prefiguration and those who want to engage with existing power structures.

What is the difference in kind between "prefigurative communities" and the general wider society we have now, that means the base desire for social status and greed ("sociopathy") will not be promoted? How do you propose eliminating the "conflictual internal dynamics" that arise from those desires? The page you linked gives no information about that.

It seems to me that the "conflictual internal dynamics" are simply a reflection of the conflict inherent in all human social groups, at all levels. In other words, that "prefigurative communities" suffer from the same problems as wider society and that there is, in fact, no difference in kind between them. Therefore, "prefigurative communities" will necessarily always fail to change wider society because the flawed, base people comprising those communities are no different from the flawed, base people comprising wider society.

[–] rah@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago (13 children)

Sorry I don't understand any of what you said. Could you rephrase in simple terms?

[–] rah@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago (15 children)

having a different system that doesn't promote sociopathy

Do you believe this can be brought about? If so, how?

[–] rah@feddit.uk 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'd assumed local communities should somehow relate to the instance?

That makes sense but I don't think there are any rules to that effect on feddit.uk.

The latest one I’ve seen is a community for posts relating to the US Green Party.

Yeah that's a bit weird. I'd guess it's probably someone who either doesn't understand what they're doing and just signed up on a "big" instance, or they're some kind of anglophile.

[–] rah@feddit.uk -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you believe that hateful, harmful ideas shouldn't be challenged

I don't see any challenging, just flailing.

scoreboard

Oh dear.

[–] rah@feddit.uk 0 points 3 months ago (5 children)

"Oh, I'm spreading rhetoric that hurts people? Why are you even responding to it, then?"

That's not really a fair characterisation of the situation given that they said elsewhere:

"Later dude. This isn’t going to be productive."

[–] rah@feddit.uk -3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

That’s a ridiculous distinction

I'm not sure what distinction you're referring to. I don't care either.

Edit: for that matter, I'm mystified as to why you are continuing to engage with me if you genuinely believe that I am victim blaming. Unless you don't genuinely believe I am victim blaming, in which case why would you accuse me of that. Despicable.

[–] rah@feddit.uk 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I never got a nude pic, but I 100% know/knew some guys that were probably like this

So.. you never encountered this yourself then?

[–] rah@feddit.uk 7 points 3 months ago

get together and make a raid/foray into one of these manosphere forums, supporting each other's arguments and shooting down sexist crap

Such behaviour is called "brigading" and it's very much frowned upon.

[–] rah@feddit.uk -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (11 children)

Misandry is when someone says men who believe women shouldn't be allowed to vote are abusive.

That's not what I said. I said there's a difference between being an asshole and being abusive and if OP can't see and acknowledge that difference then they're engaging in misandry. I didn't say anything about voting rights and misandry. Please don't put words in my mouth or misrepresent what I say.

[–] rah@feddit.uk -5 points 3 months ago

you are defending and engaging in victim blaming

LOL bye now

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