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They are effectively terms of a trade agreement

LOL

Is there any payoff at all?

No monetary payoff, no. I see now that money is what's detaining you.

Exhibit A: The Rwanda scheme.

The Rwanda scheme isn't an increase in the reprehensible behaviour of government, it's the same amount of reprehensible behaviour as has always been displayed, before and after Brexit.

We do not elect our trade negotiators

LOL

the fact that the people get any say at all in the terms of that set of trade agreements is considerably better than the say we'd get in any other trade agreement

I've no idea what you're talking about.

Meanwhile the EU, for all its faults, has rules based around human rights, environmental protection, animal welfare and mutual prosperity. That's the type of trade agreement that we want.

EU directives around human rights, environmental protection or animal welfare are not trade agreements. Membership in the EU is not a trade agreement. Indeed, the fact that it is more than just a trade agreement, is the problem.

Not only that: being out of the EU has cost us 5% growth per annum. Our exposure to global catastrophes has been worse, and our recoveries slower, than EU countries and comparable economies. Our labour market is a mess,

The cost of leaving the EU is money well spent.

our governments, without the leavening influence of the "undemocratic" EU, have been more corrupt, more cruel and less respectful of human rights

This just seems absurd to me. I see no such increases.

Regardless, you want less corruption, less cruelty, more respect for human rights, and you're happy to give up degrees of democracy in order to have that. We differ.

What are "the libs"?

Edit: mystified by the downvotes