pudcollar

I don't know who you're talking about being anti-fascist. What if the enemy of my enemy is my enemy? What if you had to vote between two right-wingers? That's the choice we're talking about.

You're presenting a false dichotomy. I'm saying voting between capitalist candidates in bourgeois elections is a nearly politically inert action. It could be worse than meaningless, in giving well-meaning people a feeling that they've contributed to positive change when they haven't. Joining socialist organizations, organizing your workplace, socialist activism, those are actions that contribute directly to solving the biggest problem today. Why would a communist vote for an explicitly anti-communist politician? If you had to pick between a Republican and a fascist, which would you vote for?

I remember 2016. I put >$1000 on Bernie's campaign, then it came out that DNC is a commercial organization that is not legally obligated to go with the will of the people. I actually voted for Hillary! In retrospect I wish i hadn't. I voted for Obama's drones, the wars in Syria, Libya, the troop surge in Afghanistan instead of ending the war. If it wasn't for Trump i bet we'd still be in Afghanistan.

+0 for Trump, learn to count.

What's the incentive for Biden to stop supporting proxy wars if he can count on people voting blue unconditionally? Trump didn't have a hand in forcing Ukraine into war or arming any proxy war. Neither president supports universal health care. Both presidents are building the border wall. Neither president closed Camp X-Ray. Biden's more of an idealist in that he unconditionally supports capital, whereas Trump will only support people who flatter, empower or pay him. Biden is actually worse than Trump on an international level, because of his neoliberal pro-war policy, and of course Trump is worse than Biden on a domestic level.

Worse, because democrats vote for them, there's this sunk cost fallacy where people believe that because the person they voted for won the election, that everything's cool and our country isn't sinking into fascism. At least when Trump was president most of the people who believed they are left wing felt free to criticize their president. Nowadays in "left" spaces like lemmy.world you get crucified for going against the neoliberal line or disparaging our precious president.

If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you're still voting for evil. It's an endless treadmill. This election is the most important election! Hold your nose and vote for this pro-war pro-capitalism anticommunist strikebreaker. Just put aside your concern for hundreds of thousands of lives threatened by preventable illnesses and US foreign policy and perform your only political activity for the next 2/4 years. I see the US is looking to get involved in Haiti again.

If there's someone actually good on the ballot, I'll vote for them. I'll vote PSL. The fact of the matter though, is that the people in power will not allow citizens to vote away their power, so we're really left between two choices for people who uphold the racist classist bloodthirsty capitalist power structure. For the impact that voting has in solving the biggest problems facing the country and the world, the importance of voting must not be overstated and we need to focus our energy on meaningful avenues for change instead. If we get public health care and a foreign policy that's not genocidal, it won't be because we voted for it in a bourgeois election.