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I feel a little lame quoting myself, but I was just having this discussion elsewhere so I'm just going to copy/paste my thoughts rather then thinking of a different way to say it this time.

Say you have 10 servers. 7 are Lemmy, 3 are kbin. Great, each admin has control over those servers. Then you have Meta. They'll run 1 huge server. When the 10 other servers enable Federation, Meta now has 10 servers of content that isn't even on their own platform that they can sell. Your data will literally exist on the Meta server because your data is not contained within your instance/platform once it's Federated. Meta can then harvest the entire Fediverse for data like this. It's like an absolute wet dream for them. They don't even have to coax people to use their own platform!

If your instance has defederated from Meta, but is federated with an instance that does federate with Meta, then Meta still has access to all your data through that mutual server. So not only would people have to defederate from Meta, they'd have to defederate with anyone who does federate with Meta. If everyone isn't on board with this, it'll cause a huge fracture to form.

Make no mistake: Meta wants to sell your data. They know all it takes is one server to federate with them and they've unlocked the entire fediverse to be harvested. I would not be shocked to see large amounts of cash flowing in exchange for federation rights.

Meta must be defederated the second they so much as dip a toe into the Fediverse or everything you've ever done, or do, on any ActivityHub platform will be scooped up and sold.

I'll just add that Meta will state that anything on their server is their property, and Federation will put your data directly on their server, even if you're not a member of their platform.

The problem is that the blocking will have to be layers deep. If your instance has defederated from Meta, but is federated with an instance that does federate with Meta, then Meta still has access to all your data through that mutual server. So not only would people have to defederate from Meta, they'd have to defederate with anyone who does federate with Meta. If everyone isn't on board with this, it'll cause a huge fracture to form.

Make no mistake: Meta wants to sell your data. They know all it takes is one server to federate with them and they've unlocked the entire fediverse to be harvested. I would not be shocked to see large amounts of cash flowing in exchange for federation rights.

Stop benefitting from the internet, it’s not for you to enjoy, it’s for us to use to extract money from you. Stop finding beauty and connection in the world, loneliness is more profitable and easier to control.

Stop being human. A mindless bot who makes regular purchases is all that’s really needed.

Stop talking to each other and start buying things. Stop talking to each other and start hurting each other.

Holy shit, that article was profound. Thank you for sharing.

The Silicon Valley way of doing things is "growth at any cost". Of course Meta wants in on what might turn out to be the next big thing. Of course they want to use money and power to dominate the protocol, insert all sorts of monetization, and ruin the whole thing. And when it doesn't work out because they've done the same dumb shit that already ruined Facebook and Reddit the protocol will have been destroyed and rendered useless. Meta goes back to Facebook and Instagram while the entire Fediverse project becomes defunct.

This is the history of these companies. Thankfully "fediverse" is not something Meta can just outright buy and then destroy, but they can still throw their weight around with cash and the enshittification will quickly ensue. The Fediverse needs to resist. It's hard to say no to money, but VC capital is what is destroying the internet. We need to do this differently if we want it to succeed.

I have no idea how you arrived at that conclusion. You have depression and ADHD. You're diagnosed with this because of their significant impact on your life. What does that have to do with autism? My analogy is meant to say many people can experience something to some extent without it being so significant that it's diagnosed. I've been depressed but I don't have depression. A person with glasses can't see well, but they're not blind. You've experienced some of the things in this post but it doesn't mean you have autism.

If you do suspect that perhaps some of your behaviors put you on the autism spectrum such that it has a pervasive and constant impact on your life then you should seek out a professional to be evaluated.

Edit: As an aside, this post isn't describing autism. It's giving examples of "Masking" which is only one set of behaviors. These behaviors in and of themselves are not specifically autistic, but this combined with many other behaviors together create a pattern that is attributed to autism.

I have no idea how you arrived at that conclusion. You have depression and ADHD. You're diagnosed with this because of their significant impact on your life. What does that have to do with autism? My analogy is meant to say many people can experience something to some extent without it being so significant that it's diagnosed. I've been depressed but I don't have depression. A person with glasses can't see well, but they're not blind. You've experienced some of the things in this post but it doesn't mean you have autism.

If you do suspect that perhaps some of your behaviors put you on the autism spectrum such that it has a pervasive and constant impact on your life then you should seek out a professional to be evaluated.

no instance would be able to scale to the point where it can compete with Reddit for example

Well I think that's part of the point of the Fediverse: No single server has to scale that much. Sure, the big ones are going to get big and stay big, but no one Lemmy server is ever going to have as many people using it as Reddit does. That means the cost of each instance is going to be tiny in comparison to what Reddit spends to keep one big monolithic site running (which is easily in the millions). Fediverse will distribute users across many instances/platforms which also distributes the cost. Not only do users have many Lemmy instances, they've also got kbin, and mastodon, plus any other platform that joins ActivityPub.

Reddit/Facebook style monolithic sites are not viable. You see time and time again these platforms desperately trying to monetize because it's so expensive to run. Fediverse can have millions and millions of users, but no single entity will have to foot that bill.

Right, lots of people have felt depressed too. That doesn't mean they've got clinical depression. It is clinical when it is so extreme that it impacts every facet of your life.

Think of it this way: lots of people can't see well, but not seeing well doesn't mean blind. If you don't see well you can improve your life by wearing glasses. If you're blind glasses aren't going to help. The whole way life functions revolves around dealing with being blind. There are all sorts of things you'll need to do to cope with blindness that people who aren't blind, or simply don't see well, don't have to do or think about. So it isn't quite right to equate not seeing well to blindness, even if people who don't see well can imagine what not seeing at all might be like since they can partially experience not being able to see.

Not sure what I make of that. He quoted a guy, rather than giving his own opinion. We can make a lot of assumptions about why he quoted the guy, but without stating an opinion it can only ever be speculation. In a massive list of essays, which I admittedly haven't read all of, one quote seems to be the big uproar about fascists running Lemmy?

And then being like "Hey maybe don't delete posts just because they're about China? That doesn't break any rules," suddenly makes them in love with the CCP? I don't have any context to judge the quote and posts regarding China literally do not break any rule. "Orientalism" is a ridiculous reason to delete a post.

This all seems completely blown out of proportion like typical Twitter drama.

Bleh, presearch is tied to crypto nonsense. I think something like YaCy is a more viable project. I can't say if one is better than the other functionally, but I feel like anyone trying to get away from Google is doing it because of the excessive monetization messing with their searches, to then switch to something built to prop up a token/coin seems a bit strange imo.

If I read it correctly, YaCy is like using a torrent except the information being shared between peers is search information. When you do a search you're essentially asking everyone else in the swarm for access to their YaCy search cache. The bigger the swarm the more data is available. It seems you can also initiate your own webcrawling to increase the size of the cache you share. So the searches are completely decentralized and unmodified by any profit-motivated algorithms and come directly from other users searches/crawling. It also seems impossible to be tracked this way. You could see that your IP was connected to the swarm, but it doesn't seem possible to know what it's doing on the swarm because there is no central server to log it, just a bunch of direct connections between computers in the swarm.

It harms the banks, which harms rich people, which harms politicians because rich people threaten.. er, lobby them concerning campaign donations, SCOTUS has shown repeatedly in the last 2 years that they're firmly in the pocket of a certain political party with rulings which enable them so they wine and dine Clarence Thomas and the rest (Google "Clarence Thomas corruption")

If you think any of this has to do with how your life might improve you've not been paying attention.