nonailsleft

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[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee -4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Do you think the Arab Palestinian leaders believed in respecting the potential partitition??

Indeed, many regions saw uprisings against the Ottomans, with some being genocided and some managing to break off and form their own country. Depending on the period and sultan, jews were actually better off under the Ottomans than they were under other muslim or christian rulers. Relatively speaking of course, because they were always still systemically discriminated against based on their religion. When they saw the Ottoman empire itself turn away from the relative self-rule system for religions towards forced pan-islamism, and the regions that managed to break away towards their own religious fundamentalism (because the factions coming out on top were almost always of such aligment), one could see the writing on the wall and the logical escape path would be to try and form their own country as well.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee -5 points 8 months ago (5 children)

You seem to have a very, very simplistic idea of the rather complicated and less black and white history here

The first immigrants that expanded the congregation that eventually grew into Israel were 'internal' , hoping that this would allow them to escape or alleviate discrimination by their Ottoman rulers. But the first 'big push' in those early days came from Ukraine and Russia, hoping to escape the genocides and creating a new country from a slice of the crumbling Ottoman Empire.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Wow that's a lot of analogies wrapped in there

Say you and your Trump-lubbin buddies are riding your lifted truck and you see a trans kid walking on the side of the road. One of your friends can't jumps off and punches them out, just because they couldn't control their need to physically fight the gay agenda any longer. You're still cheering him on when a van full of Antifa dudes pulls up and they beat the perpetrator, your buddies and yourself to a pulp. And I mean really, really pulpy. Also they bomb your truck

Sure, your hatred for Antifa and the Gay Agenda might have grown even stronger by this altercation. But would you still think your buddy attacking that kid was a smart idea? Would you follow him when he goes after the next one?

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee -4 points 8 months ago (7 children)

You don't have to let it slide, I welcome you to analyse the situation to the fullest of your abilities.

I just think trying to compare it to Ukraine is quite dumb. Even now you have to move your argument from the '67 situation to the broader idea of the partition of Mandatory Palestine. Morocco's annexation of the Western Sahara territory, for example, is much more comparable in that regard than the classic cold war style territory push happening in Ukraine.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee -3 points 8 months ago

Did Hezbollah's deal include total disarmament by Israel?

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee -4 points 8 months ago

Who am I defending?

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

Well technically the USSR took it from Russia and gave it to Ukraine.

Anyway if you go back far enough the Russians stole it from the Crimeans and later deported all of them, replacing the entire population of the peninsula with proud Russians, ready to man the naval base.

How's that for a comparison with Palestine lol

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee -5 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Is membership of Hamas or Hezbollah an ethnicity for you?

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago

Thanks. But I see another disclaimer with 'mostly reversible'... For children I think there would be a lot less opposition if it was only requested for fully reversible treatments.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Sorry, but that information is from 6+ months ago. Most of the general population and especially the non-shias did not feel the real fallout from Hezbollah attacking Israel until September.

The survey, conducted between February and April 2024

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