Well most of the jews that were living there in the 1880's will probably be dead by now, so it was mostly a hypothetical question of you travelling back in time and telling someone who was born in Palestine, from parents who were born in Palestine, that they were foreign settlers and had to leave
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There were a lot of different kibbutz types and many hired Arab workers. Some of the attacked kibbutzes last year even still had Arab workers from Gaza (not since though).
Here's an interesting article (paywalled though) on the subject
a western colony
Israel grew out of an existing jewish presence, and the first waves of immigrants came from Russia and Yemen, while under Ottoman control. Whoever told you it's a 'western colony' was lying to you
where the money was
Most arrived with nothing and worked long hours in collectivist communes
The arabs never expelled anybody.
You can find some nice sourced examples in here
And again: where do you suggest they should have moved?
Did Hamas put down their weapons after Oslo?
Did Israel pull settlers out of Hebron?
There were jews already living there that wanted their muslim and christian neighbours replaced with jews, and there were jewish immigrants that were happy to build a kibbutz out in the desert and trade with their Arab neighbours.
What of the jews that were ethnically cleansed out of their Arab and North African countries? Where should they have moved?
Makes him more pleasant to look at actually
I think he's 's onto it that people playing Microsoft Flight Simulator are actually flying real life drones and bombing civilians without knowing, just like in Ender's Game.
Time will tell
Do you think Iran is funding and arming islamic fundamentalists to stabilize the region?
What would you say to the zionist jews that were already living in Palestine? Or to those in neighbouring states of the Ottoman empire that moved within those borders to find a place with less oppression? Did they 'colonize' their own country?
What would you say to someone that survived a pogrom in Russia and migrated the remains of their family to a collectivist farm in an empty piece of desert, merely as survival because they had nowhere else to go?
There's a lot of nuance to be found if you are willing to look a little deeper into it
All social relations are condensed down to impersonal market exchanges
Well I'd say this is the main pillar of your essay that exposes that you're just trying to cram reality into your narrative. 'Making bank' is not what's driving these groups to try and kill eachother
Well you said it isn't just a religious dispute, as god was replaced by money. But when confronted, you pivot to "yeah well maybe these particular guys operate outside this system"
Sorry for calling weak sauce on these walls of text but 'regular people' in the Middle East are more than blank puppets waiting to be told what to do by their foreign masters.
Israel was steadily working towards normalisation and stable relationships with their neighbouring countries - which was working even with the annexation of the West Bank. It was the Iranian side that needed to attack them to fan the flames. Pretty weird that you're trying to paint it like it's Israel that wants the destabilisation here.