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Deep engagement in a conversation and a deep conversation are different things I'd say.

Deep engagement to me is when someone starts thinking about your position as their own. One time I asked a store clerk where I can get a shovel in the store. They didn't have any, but he kept brainstorming with me what I can use as a makeshift shovel or where else I can go to shop for one. It was very engaging and nice to be part of.

One way I can describe a deep conversation is a topic that, when someone starts getting into it, the socialized knee-jerk reaction is to insult them to shut them up (unless you happen to be impassioned about it as well). Think sitcom: some quirky character waxes poetic and the others tell them to can it because the plot must go on.

I guess a deep conversation can be a personal one, although I would maybe categorize that as an intimate conversation rather than deep. Both are conversations that people usually just to ignore, avoid, or tell others to stop because they want to get on with their own lives. Usually deep conversation topics are larger-than-daily-life topics, so that's probably why

Give them D20s instead

There is so much internal politics, especially in larger companies.

I'm on the team that manages the core functionality of the product, but every other team twists our arms and escalates things all the way to the top-levels just so they can do things in the way they are used to or they just prefer. Apparently the other managers are aiming for promotions so it's a power grab. Meanwhile, the product turns to shit, my team gets blamed, we lose money, people like me who do the actual work get laid off (thankfully I haven't yet but idk)

Smaller companies are nicer, but they still have politics. Honestly I've been in cooperatives too and there is still some politics. I guess it's just the capitalist alienation between workers

Again, why would you say something like that in this thread/community/instance?

I'm not requesting you to answer. I'm requesting you to reconsider your approach to this scenario

634 failed assassination attempts

If you have to ask...then you don't know

Why would you come into a thread and enthusiastically declare yourself a dickhead weirdo

I think it was a different sub-discipline or variety of cybernetics from that of CyberSyn? Not sure if that contributed to success/failure

It's been a while, I was very interested in the topic at one point and read some things and watched a documentary. Let me try to dig up some links

There's something here to be said about that one documentary where they threw lemmings off a cliff to get a good shot

Isn't that exactly what Marxism is? Dialectics and the contradiction of capitalism that the proletariat are the ones who can perform material action upon reality but the social relation of bourgeois ownership of the MOP alienates the proletariat from doing that in earnest (revolution)

I don't think it's a matter of technological development at least. We have better technology and techniques than in decades past.

Large companies and partners in supply chains already do a lot of planning and balancing, but it is internal to their companies and contracts, not an open public platform. Think Amazon delivery or Uber. They are actually pretty impressive, but sucks that they are private. Under capitalism, they would never be, unless collaboration delivers profits. I'm thinking of those collabs for smart home and fitness tracking like Matter and Health Connect. They obviously just want to collect your data.

As for why socialist countries don't have CyberSyn rather than capitalist ones...idk I guess maybe because this requires infrastructure first. It's like how Marx's original vision was a highly developed capitalist society to be first to go communist, leveraging existing infrastructure to commence to FALC. But socialist countries today are not those, and are still working on maturing their material conditions

Absolutely true, social media presence is hardly the material conditions necessary for a revolution. The structures to be replaced run deeper than which website you use