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Don't forget the ensuing forest fire!

Unrelated story, did you know the fire department will drive their trucks over grass and wilderness to get to where you are, even if you're sort of out in the woods? I didn't.

So I posted this in !politicalmemes@lemmy.world:

Let's say this:

I have no idea if you are a shill or a genuine person. But, there are some behaviors that are bad things to do regardless of which you are:

1. Recasting your opponents' views as other ones that make less sense and are easier to argue against, consistently, as a way of muddling the discourse, instead of being honest about what you're saying and what you are disagreeing with and why, and just letting your point of view speak for itself whether or not I personally would agree with it
2. Consistently posting a drumbeat of memes in support of your viewpoint (within that same dishonest framing)

I mean, you can do what you want to do. I'm not gonna try to tell you you are or aren't allowed to say whatever suits you. But to me, saying "fuck the whole US politics join my coalition for positive change we need a level of change that the current system will not allow" would make sense. Sounds great. I actually would be right there in that coalition. Anything from Bernie Sanders to Ralph Nader to someone further out-there who is working for something to produce actual change in some other way.

But if instead of that, you misrepresent the "other side"'s viewpoint "fascism is so bad that we need to resist it even if the alternative involves continuing the US's longstanding policy of allowing some war crimes," as if it was "I <3 war crimes and genocide", and post a drumbeat of attack against specifically the least war-crime-friendly big contingent in US politics, I think people will wind up accusing you of bad faith. They've got a right to say that too.

I mean, does that seem fair? If you were posting a big stream of memes about how to put pressure on Biden to do more (like, a fuck of a lot more) to stop the crimes, or in favor of some faction that was plausibly able to produce a better outcome, I don't think you would be getting near this level of derisive responses. But the message you're sending doesn't match the outcome you say you want. I think that's why you are getting these maybe unfair accusations.

Removed. Rule 1, civility.

I got a permanent ban for some other, less friendly, interactions on the same day. But that one decision always stuck out to me as a shining example of the moderation quality on Lemmy.

The only thing I have to add to this perfection is that I would, in fact, prefer Grandpa Joe’s Feckless Possum Party as opposed to the end of the world and everything we love

This is more of a theory than anything I’ve tried in practice, but I think “go ugly early” might be good advice in moderation as it is in marathons. If someone’s being a dickbag just get rid of them. Temp ban for dickbaggery, perm ban for consistent or unrepentant dickbaggery.

It seems like a lot of the mods try to dress it up in this elaborate system of rules and procedures like they’re only implementing the will of the great magnet, and they have no personal stake in anything. Just ban the dicks and people will either agree with your judgement on it or they won’t. But it seems, just from my observations, like trying to dress it up in a fig leaf of impartiality doesn’t really fool anybody.

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Whether Trump’s remarks reflect a threat to his ego or something else, they likely expose diplomatic short-sightedness. If re-elected in November, the GOP nominee and his future administration will have no choice but to work with the president of El Salvador on some of the very issues Trump and the party purport to care about, chief among them migration and drug flows.

My guy, you are greatly exaggerating the degree to which Trump gives a shit about diplomacy or what happens to this leader or anyone else in El Salvador.

Stop talking about Trump like an adult politician with policies and goals. He is simply going to burn the world and shoot the survivors, while hoarding everything he can steal from the wreckage. What happens to El Salvador is not going to be a concern of his or anyone else’s who is in his administration.

it's not like he's blatantly anti-union in speech and in action or anything. Why doesn't everyone else also hate him? That's the real question.

It is, indeed. What do you think is the answer? Why so many unions are coming out to go to bat for him?

Is there anything else I should know about?

Here’s a pretty good list. It’s fair; the ones I sent were a little short on specific details.

The courts are bad now people think, wait till more seats are replaced.

People don’t understand what a big deal this is. Corrupting the trusted-by-tradition institutions like the courts is one way fascists can get the whole country in a chokehold.

Gunned down a bunch of BLM protestors? Eh, they were asking for it. Probation.

Climate change demonstration? 10 years

We’re already about 60% of the way there. It’s already happening that people are committing really major crimes and it’s okay if they’re on the right team.

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Startup in a rented house in a residential neighborhood

“Router” was an old PC running Linux with a few network cards, with no case, with a household fan pointed at it to keep it cool

Loose ethernet cables and little hubs everywhere

Every PC was its own thing and some people were turbo nerds. I had my Linux machine with its vertical monitor; there were many Windows machines, a couple Macs, servers and 2 scrounged Sun workstations also running Linux

No DHCP, pick your own IP and tell the IT guy, which was me, and we’ll set you up. I had a little list in my notebook.

It was great days my friends

We went out of business; no one was shocked

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Not that voting is always the metric, but check the votes on this one versus the next “league of lizardman cosplayers says Biden MUST step down” story that comes along

It is good to occasionally insert a counter narrative even if the extent of the deceptive main narrative is already overwhelmingly excessive

, I heard that you can blacklist words

How about instead of that, we let you know every single time that it’s fucking tiresome and please give it a rest

Or would that mean you would be hearing that statement oppressively many times?

The moderation of this community has entirely lost the plot

Same article 10 times a day and a literally limitless stream of the same 5-6 bad faith arguments in the comments to back it up? Sure sounds good

Blog post? GET IT THE FUCK OUT OF HERE

We need room for more stories about the Ithaca dogcatcher who is now saying that Biden should step down