I explained it a little more here
mozz
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I don't have a specific candidate I like right now
Ah, okay, so just trying to help the Democrats lose, then, by instilling a general malaise against the current candidate with (only after some prompting) only the vaguest of unrealistic hand waving towards something that might be a solution but in practice will not be.
Well, good luck with it I guess. Have fun.
Yeah. I changed it. The Democrats clearly don’t like him nor him them.
Fair enough
I changed it
I don’t care man. Just kidnap him and throw him on stage at the DNC and say “yo man we need you, say something”
So… Ralph Nader actually went into this a little bit. He was disgusted with the left for agreeing to vote ahead of time for Biden without even trying to form any kind of a pressure bloc to demand concessions in terms of better humanity in Gaza. I feel you.
I can’t possibly see what you can demand from Harris though, materially. She’s not in charge. Her priorities, until January 6th, are Biden’s priorities. And anything you do to try to pressure her for announcing better policies on Israel is flirting with fucking it up and Trump getting in and just giving Israel approval to go in and kill the other 90% of the Palestinians and open beachfront property and no “ceasefire” or “weapons pause” or any of Biden’s milquetoast resistance on the table at all.
Idk. It’s not even certain that she can win. Weakening her even more in service of the Palestinians I think has an excellent chance of killing a whole bunch more Palestinians.
Voters: Hey can we maybe get someone more progressive, I mean Harris is fine but Biden was actually a little bit left and that was pretty fuckin nice
Voters: Like idk, not even like a new Bernie Sanders, we loved him but even like to a 20% level of that, nothing crazy
Manchin: My time to shine, I think they’re gonna like this
(Edit: I used to be making fun of Democrats with the last line, but some people gave me shit for it and rightly so, so I changed it)
Oh, I thought you were shitting on the presumptive nominee in a fashion that’s suddenly started coming out of the woodwork in a small but notable grouping of posts and comments, which I’m sure will grow to a torrent by a few days from now and not let up until the election, now that it’s no longer relevant to shit on Biden relentlessly.
Were you supporting a progressive candidate or alternate strategy for the Democrats and I overlooked it? That actually (very seriously) does sound like a good thing, yes; IDK whose messages I was reading instead that gave me the idea you were doing that other thing.
Who is your alternative?
I think an alternative at all is unlikely, although if one that were realistic came along, I’d be fuckin thrilled
I am saying that the New York Times is doing a disservice to its readers by giving this kabuki theater presentation of this as a normal election between candidates that need to be evaluated on their merits and policies and etc.
I’m not saying anything from a standpoint of strategizing winning the election, although yes I would hope that a clearer understanding of what’s at stake would lead people to support Harris more than they otherwise would. I’m just talking about journalistic standards; some of the things NYT reporters have said and written show an absolutely unhinged level of normalization of Trump and a pretense that his second presidency would be a normal American presidency, and we need to be treating this election in that light.
That’s more what I’m complaining about. It’s like judging the wolf invading your house on its merits against the show dog that is your current pet, and potentially we may want to adopt this thing instead, depending on how fit the show dog is in terms of the coat and the bearing and etc, and comparing the two.
And yet, when I ask you which candidate they should be latching onto instead of her, you can’t even pretend to be interested in the answer to the question.