A whole bunch of people with 3-week-old accounts really developed strong feelings about who's right on the issue about 25 minutes ago 🙂. Which other 2 guys do you mean; FuglyDuck and someone else?
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I just noticed that about 8-10 upvotes dropped all at once to your comments in this exchange, and a similar number of downvotes all at once to mine. Would it offend you if I investigated in some detail where all those votes came from?
Pretty sure none of that has anything to do with what I actually said.
I guess it is easier to argue with someone if you can just decide that they're saying "it's unfair to criticize the president" or similar bollocks and then explain why that is wrong. 🙂
(BTW - If you scroll around in this thread, you will find me criticizing Biden)
he's plastic, but angry plastic instead of bland plastic
Oh, I wasn't saying he was honest. He presents himself as smart and rich, which is flaming bullshit. I think some of his followers believe him about that, but that's not why they like him; there are plenty of genuinely smart and rich people they despise.
The awful neoliberal suit-wearing jerks are one kind of asshole who's hurting their financial futures and the communities their kids have to live in, and they know that. But absolutely you're right; Trump is something much, much worse and much more dark, and they're making a terrifying mistake by supporting him just because he is (genuinely, and with real authenticity) not one of those people.
Well the fact that he allowed record oil extraction under his watch says that he doesn't take it as seriously as he should.
Got it. So there are two talking points which are commonly brought up to say Biden did a bad job on the climate; this is one of them. This, in contrast, is an actual summary of what he's done; among other things, it claims there's a Democratic theory that the big climate bill puts us on track for a 40% reduction in emissions by 2030. I don't know if that's accurate, but those are the terms in which I think it's sensible to analyze his actions on climate: What is the expected impact? As opposed to, what's some individual fact that is cherry-picked for maximum argumentation impact, and then repeated consistently without context (in this case, used to argue that he doesn't take it seriously when he made massive climate legislation into a priority early on in his presidency.)
Does that allow me to pass your purity test? Do you have anything at all of substance to add to my comment or just fucking argumentative bullshit?
Sorry, what? My comment wasn't real polite, but it's not like there wasn't a productive point to it.
I suspect your original comment of being made in bad faith. Your response to my question about the climate, which does not include detailed analysis of what's going on, but does fit lock-and-key into one of the two active talking points about "why Biden is bad for the climate," furthers that suspicion.
You're obviously not obligated to talk with me further about it. I was just curious. You're free to say whatever you want.
Which is something that MAGAs say they like about Trump
Yeah. With Trump it's a little different. I actually get it kind of. He's authentic to himself in a way most politicians are not. He's just a big fat mean asshole who likes shouting and cheeseburgers and raw-dogging porn stars. He doesn't like paying taxes and he doesn't like smart people who try to get one over on him. For the most part, what you see is what you get.
I think a lot of rural America has an absolute hatred for Washington, because Washington for the most part hasn't given a fuck what happened to them for the last 50 years. And I think they see Trump, and say well, he's an asshole, but he's not one of those weird plastic people who've been stealing from my pension fund and making sure my health insurance doesn't work, and he seems to hate them too and not afraid to get violent with them. Hey, that sounds pretty fuckin' good from where I'm standing. He's got my vote.
I'm not saying their assessment of the impact of Trump on their pension fund is accurate. But their read of him as a person, I think, is actually the root cause of why they like him and I think that part is true.
Though I have to say, I really wish some reasonable stuff about a cease-fire and stopping arms shipments would've slipped out a few months ago.
Yes. 😢
Let me guess: If Biden does actually reverse several generations' worth of mass-murder-enabling Israel policy, and brings about a positive change to the absolute worst thing that the US does and has been doing for the last 50 years, it'll suddenly be something else that you're incredibly upset at him about which is your reason you can't possibly support him.
No? Maybe not. How do you feel about his actions in regard to climate change?
I greatly enjoy that Biden is this way.
When he was campaigning, he was in an interview about Turkey, and he said more or less if Erdoğan gets out of line we might have to get rid of him. Then he realized what he said wasn't a "say out loud" type of statement, and tried to walk it back by saying well, I don't mean with a coup or anything, just, you know, we'll have to see what we can do. Which only made it 10 times worse. The US press didn't really notice but it was a shit storm in the central-Asian press for like 6 months.
But the thing is, every US president has thoughts and plans like that. I'm not saying it or the neoliberal empire are good things. I'm just saying that Biden has those thoughts and then sometimes actually says them out loud which I actually prefer over the "I'm so self-aware that every statement is preanalyzed and often kind of indirect" Washington standard.
And we SUDDENLY GET REAL UNSETTLING ANGRY TONE without any change of facial expression when certain topics start to get brought up.
You can almost see her kids in therapy years from now breaking down examples of how it was in their house growing up.
How do you get a stitching artifact that is fuzzy and indistinct on all sides, as opposed to distinct on one half and indistinct on the other? Maybe I'm missing something.
Edit: And has a lane marker overlaid awkwardly on top of an almost-car, in a way that is sensible 2d-pixel-wise but nonsense geometrically? That to me is an extremely specific tell of an AI artifact.
Fascinating