This may help to explain
mozz
joined 2 years ago
Ah got it
TIL Kaliningrad
Asking multiple times will get you variations with different policies, some of which sound distinctly un-X-ish, like “be mindful of cultural sensitivities.”
kek
I am not European enough to make any sense of this meme
Because everyone knows who is killing journalists in Gaza
Yeah, it totally is. That's what I mean. You don't see like an animal pictures community where the mods are like "NO MORE FOXES that is the rule" and the users get all confused like "but... bro half the pictures are porcupines, can we do something about that, no one thinks it's too many foxes and anyway we like fox pictures" and the mods say "like all of you I am concerned and fearful to think sometimes that I might be in a community with too many porcupines, but I can assure you that it's not true" or anything like that.
My analogy is very bad but hopefully the point comes across
These are the same bots that have inflamed for real real-world riots in the UK right now, and in my opinion probably had quite a bit to do with getting Trump elected the first time around. I know people IRL who have their whole worldview formed by what these bots want them to believe. I'm not sure how big a real world problem it actually is on any given platform, but in the aggregate, it's a fuckin HUGE problem IMO.
Yeah. Which users are the bad users is generally blatantly obvious, I feel like.
It is wild to me that there's such a consensus among the "normal users" about certain things (MBFC bot is bad, the shills are a problem, which users are the shills), and such an opposite consensus among the mods. IDK where even this "mod versus user" mentality came from (on both sides, honestly -- part of the reason I try not to complain about moderation is, WTF, they're all volunteers doing an important job and it's impossible for any human to be perfectly patient and evenhanded when dealing with the tide of nonsense they put up with in order to create a good space for conversation.) But it is still very weird to me that there's a visible "mod viewpoint" and "community participant viewpoint" and that they are different from each other.
Well... yeah, that's a fair point. The strength of Israel's lobby has a ton to do with it (and lobbies like China can accomplish the same types of things). It's 100% true.
The weird thing is, it is. These guys who want to knock out the pillars of democracy and sell them as scrap like a bunch of methheads taking apart the load bearing structure of their own parking garage, never set up shop in one of the "after" republics like Russia or wherever. They always wanna come to our places so they be reaping the tasty profitable stable fruits of the democracy they're dismantling.
I think the assertion was that I was following around particular users and posting hostile comments... which, I was doing the second thing, not the first. Here's a relevant exchange that deals with the removal more directly (from this thread during the same unit of moderation action):
Wind dat same shit I always post in these threads back selecta!
If you’re reading this and you don’t want to vote for biden or trump, consider party for socialism and liberation. They’re running Claudia de la Cruz for president this year on a platform of Palestinian statehood and ending arms shipments to Israel.
It’s okay to not want to vote for Biden or trump.
~~Hey let’s talk about how Biden shut down Trump’s insulin price cap~~
~~You already explained to me how that happened, I know, but explain it again for the rest of the class~~
How come you stopped replying to me in the thread where we were talking about that?
Why are you dragging that into this thread? Why did you drag it into that thread (I’m pretty sure it was off topic drama there too)?
~~Because you were talking nonsense… I’m not obligated to keep talking to you indefinitely about why water is wet and world is round~~
~~Go on, tell ‘em what you told me. I’ll let you figure out why it might be relevant to this conversation. Oh also how Trump’s a formidable stage presence and Biden should be worried about having to go head to head with him in a debate. But let’s start with Biden shutting down the insulin price cap. The people need to know! If they are thinking of voting Biden when he wants their insulin prices un-capped.~~
Please stop stalking me. Thanks.
~~Stop stalking political threads and posting propaganda. I’m not going out of my way to find you, but since I saw a post of yours, I thought it was relevant to throw it in there that you have in the past posted explicit propaganda of a type so dishonest that anyone here will be able to see through it. Why would that not be relevant to what you’re saying now?~~
~~If you mean me tagging you when I used you as an example of a person posting propaganda, I can stay away from that in the future if you want. I was meaning to do it so you could defend yourself if you wanted to try, but I’m fine with not doing that if you prefer. If you’re just ordering me not to point out your propaganda when I happen to see it, then no, I think I will continue.~~
Removed ("stalking") and permaban. I reached out to the mod and said hey I can see I was being a dick (it happens sometimes), but I wasn't stalking and what's up with this permaban. No response.
Just as a random additional data point, here's a post of mine that was also removed from the same threads:
~~Let's say this:~~
~~I have no idea if you are a shill or a genuine person. But, there are some behaviors that are bad things to do regardless of which you are:~~
- ~~Recasting your opponents' views as other ones that make less sense and are easier to argue against, consistently, as a way of muddling the discourse, instead of being honest about what you're saying and what you are disagreeing with and why, and just letting your point of view speak for itself whether or not I personally would agree with it~~
- ~~Consistently posting a drumbeat of memes in support of your viewpoint (within that same dishonest framing)~~
~~I mean, you can do what you want to do. I'm not gonna try to tell you you are or aren't allowed to say whatever suits you. But to me, saying "fuck the whole US politics join my coalition for positive change we need a level of change that the current system will not allow" would make sense. Sounds great. I actually would be right there in that coalition. Anything from Bernie Sanders to Ralph Nader to someone further out-there who is working for something to produce actual change in some other way.~~
~~But if instead of that, you misrepresent the "other side"'s viewpoint "fascism is so bad that we need to resist it even if the alternative involves continuing the US's longstanding policy of allowing some war crimes," as if it was "I <3 war crimes and genocide", and post a drumbeat of attack against specifically the least war-crime-friendly big contingent in US politics, I think people will wind up accusing you of bad faith. They've got a right to say that too.~~
~~I mean, does that seem fair? If you were posting a big stream of memes about how to put pressure on Biden to do more (like, a fuck of a lot more) to stop the crimes, or in favor of some faction that was plausibly able to produce a better outcome, I don't think you would be getting near this level of derisive responses. But the message you're sending doesn't match the outcome you say you want. I think that's why you are getting these maybe unfair accusations.~~
Removed, civility
If you have not, and it is still available, I would highly recommend to check out “Servant of the People” on Netflix. The depiction of the Yanukovich era politics and the youthful Zelensky before the whole fuckin country exploded on him was fascinating to me.