mozz

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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 13 points 2 years ago

There's a pretty massive difference between:

  • Holding Biden accountable (which, for things like his support for Israel, I'm pretty in favor of)
  • Making up bullshit he didn't do and then claiming that you're helping by "holding him accountable" for it

One of those things I'm in favor of. Which one is this article, do you think?

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (15 children)

Funny you should say "shit sandwich" -- I had this conversation a little while ago with some of y'all and no one could really attack Biden's record coherently. It's just the "say vaguely bad-sounding things about him over and over from a variety of accounts" strategy, with no effort at backing it up with more than the same handful of like 5-6 anecdotes about some bad thing that happened under his watch.

Like I said there, I actually didn't really realize how much good stuff Biden had done or how hard it was to come up with factual criticism of him, until y'all started attacking him unfairly and I started spending time looking up what he's been up to. I only started on it to see whether you were telling the truth about it.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Oblige them and make sure they get funding

We should sanction the Israeli government for funding terrorism, and let them try to justify why money to Hamas is ok as long as they're the ones doing it.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

A 40% reduction in emissions and continued American democracy?

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It is pure fantasy; it'll never happen, and I agree with you that Hamas is a deeply corrupt terrorist organization which wouldn't do good things with 15 billion dollars. They also, incidentally, get some funding from the Israeli government, because the Israeli government likes having a wild and violent adversary that will do bad things which will give them justification for the horrifying things they were planning on doing anyway to the Palestinians.

I don't think it's strange though. It is a natural reaction to seeing someone get the shit kicked out of them for years and years and the satisfaction of imagining them suddenly being on equal footing with their bully and the bully's shock and alarm at being subjected to a fair fight. Is that strange? To me it's not strange.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 2 points 2 years ago (22 children)

This direct contradiction of clearly articulated administration policy is possible because because of the bank’s nominal independence. It makes its own decisions and evaluates its own deals—it’s supposed to conduct transactions that support the American economy, free from political interference.

I see you have taken to heart my advice about making more subtle and "what? it's technically true"-defensible postings, that through the phrasing of their headline still feed the narrative that Biden's bad for the climate even though he pushed through a climate bill that's predicted to reduce US emissions by 40% in the next 6 years, and this particular financing deal is only tangentially related to him. (In the article it says the bank is actually forbidden by law from choosing deals to finance or not based on which industry they relate to.)

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Netanyahu told Fox News Channel that Israel never would have called for a new U.S. election after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and he denounced Schumer’s comments as inappropriate.

You know what pisses me off the most about this? AIPAC is absolutely shameless about trying to give the axe to any American politician that tries to mess with Israel. They interfere in our democracy all the time, and it's public and open on all sides that that's a big part of Israel's weirdly revered status in American foreign policy. It is not in a way that's technically illegal, but it's definitely in a way that makes it the height of hypocrisy for them to complain if we're turning around and influencing "yo we gotta get rid of this guy from your government, he threatened our interests" back at them, for the first time that I know of.

Edit: Actually, forget what I said elsewhere about funding the Palestinians with Israel's aid package. My new favorite idea is to start an organization called IAPAC which gives millions or billions of dollars to run their campaign to any Israeli politician who wants to run against Netanyahu.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It is terrorist playbook 101

Pick times and ways of attacking a bunch of innocent people that will provoke a violent response from some slaughter-happy government that will drive your support and recruitment. You get lots of donations and support, you get to have your war you were thirsting for and you get to be a hero, and the rivers of blood that ensue don't have to be your fault, in your own mind at least.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Ideally we'd give all their scheduled aid to Palestine tho.

This is my favorite fucking idea

Like the whole Israeli cabinet and 80% of the US political spectrum erupts in absolute pandemonium because Hamas just got 15 billion dollars with no restrictions on how they want to spend it, beyond the obvious necessity of spending some on food and bedrock-level infrastructure and vague pronouncements about minimizing civilian casualties

And then Anthony Blinken can sort of shrug and say "Well we can always talk about a cease-fire, if you're worried about things getting violent. How does that sound? They already said they'd be okay with that."

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 4 points 2 years ago

I cannot figure out whether this is important or poppycock

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There's a real game for this. My parents had it and we played it a few times when I was growing up.

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