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Inflation-adjusted wages grew by 6% in 2020, 8% in 2021, and 6% in 2022. Here's the citation. Most of that growth happened at the lowest-wage end of the scale -- inflation-adjusted wages for the top 10% of earners actually fell by 5% from 2020-2022, meaning for the average to rise, quite a few of people in the lower percentiles saw their wages go up.
I suspect that a lot of the Lemmy community is tech people in that top 10%, which makes the anecdotal "IDK things are bad for me and my friends" resonate with them. And fair play if you want to say that's a problem, I won't say it's not.
But it seems like you're just trying to create a narrative that wages for everyone have gone down, because of stacked year-on-year inflation, that simply doesn't exist anywhere in the data, even in any given year in isolation. What are you saying was the change in wages that justifies what you're saying? Where are you getting your actual numbers and what are they?
I certainly don't blame the president for inflation, because I can see how all the corporations just decided to raise their prices because everybody else was raising their prices.
That's actually an excellent point. Since it's been shown that a lot of the price increases actually have nothing to do with economic conditions the companies are facing, but are just them raising their prices because they can get away with it and keeping the extra money because they want to, it seems a little extra silly to blame Biden for that (even above the silliness of blaming him for inflation at all, if you're not going to credit him for wage growth.)
What is your citation for saying this? Mine is here. The yellow bar at the very top, +5.7%, represents the poorest segment of workers making wage gains that outpaced inflation. Where are you getting your 3% or 4% numbers?
I'm starting to suspect that a lot of the Lemmy population may be in the tech-savvy early adopter white-collar-job segment up in the top 10% (the brown bar showing -5%, wages dropping compared to inflation for the very top earners as tech jobs slow down and the wage gap shrinks). I'm not saying that wage drop at the top is a good thing necessarily, but it's very different from everyone being worse off.
Here's a breakdown of the average wages overall; that black line at the top shows a year-on-year compounding growth in wages adjusted for inflation in 2020, 2021, and 2022, even facing the difficult conditions that kept almost every other first-world country down in the bottom half of the graph, where wages are actually dropping.
Those are my sources. What are yours for the specific claims you're making?
If it leads to him not being president, it does.
why are we so horny to say JOE BIDEN GOOD or JOE BIDEN BAD?
I'll 100% agree with this -- I actually feel pretty weird coming in and saying all good things about any establishment Democrat like some kind of faithful CNN viewer. For me I actually try to make a deliberate effort to air criticism of Biden where it's due (bottom comment here or talking about his support for Israel), although I can kind of understand the desire to respond to "Biden bad Biden bad Biden bad" in this sort of endless drumbeat with saying he's good on everything, just to sort of "counterbalance."
But yeah there's nothing wrong with just saying it the way it is, good or bad.
go unionize your workplace. go help out your neighbors and friends, go and participate in local government. vote for biden to minimize the violence that will inevitably occur. plant a garden for your community. support local artists who might be disabled or unable to work. tip your waiter. be decent? be kind.
1,000% agree. Internet is nice to be able to communicate about interests that maybe people in your real world environment don't share. But nothing about real political and social change will happen from typing a comment.
I won't say that's not true for you and your friends, because I have no idea. But for the country as a whole, particularly for people struggling, it is mostly exactly the opposite of what you're saying. I.e. not only are they not still having to go into their housekeeping jobs even though they might catch a disease that might kill them or their family, but they're mostly making more than they were, even adjusted for the (quite high although lower than pretty much every other country post-Covid) inflation.
Fully agree with you on the second one, but I will say that the first one very much has to do with who's president, too. Remember when Trump was insisting to everyone who wanted to obey him that they shouldn't wear masks, and should go to work / school while they're sick? And those people started affirmatively attacking people who were doing nothing but try to protect themselves and others? Remember when Anthony Fauci had to have a security detail from the US Marshals?
Tru dat. My point (and the OP article point I think) is that the stacked impact of wage growth, especially at the bottom, has actually outpaced even the significant amount of inflation. And that the latter gets talked about all the time but not the former (which doesn’t have to be nefarious - everyone feels grocery price even if nothing has changed, whereas wage growth a lot of times feels like “well yeah but I got a new job, of course I’m making more now”).
Yes it’s harder.
Wrong. If wages have grown relative to inflation, then it’s gotten easier.
Right?
Holy shit man
“Opinion X”
“Here’s why I don’t agree with opinion X”.
“Awww buddy, nice try, but I actually said opinion X, not what you said. Try again.”
Jesus Christ what a self-absorbed wanker
I am biased, because I think I'm right and they are wrong, but to me it is instructive to look at an example like this
It removes it from that flood-of-unopposed-propaganda world and puts it into a more manageable context, like here are questions, and here's how people answer the questions or not.