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Hilary, just like Trump, is a rich person shill

Absolutely

and would do anything to get corporations that are losing money from lockdown to get what they want

Absolutely

She is no better

Hundreds of thousands of people who died of Covid, who wouldn't have if Trump hadn't fucked up the response, would disagree

Dozens of dead CIA agents, God knows how many dead Kurds, would disagree

The capitol policemen who got beat and maimed and disabled for doing their jobs would disagree

Little Honduran kids who got separated from their parents at the border, or their families who still haven't gotten them back and may never see them again, would disagree

There is a yawning chasm between saying that Hillary is pretty crappy as candidates go, especially if you want real change in the US, and saying she's no better than Trump.

OP are you okay?

Yeah it is 100% because of massive chicken and beef farms. I saw some scientists who study these diseases say basically, this is an important enough issue (and is going to keep happening for as long as we're doing factory chicken farming) that we should be transitioning away from factory chickens and back to small independent farms that don't create such perfect petri dishes for human-harmful diseases. Sadly their advice has a 0% change of being implemented before something really, really bad happens because of it.

When did you sit in on court cases? What did you observe in terms of the experts and their testimony when you did? Or maybe a better way to ask it is, how many times have you been in court and observed the proceedings?

I have family who are lawyers, I've been to court a few times, and I've had friends on both sides of the justice system. Not sure why you assume I'm just totally unfamiliar with these things.

My bias though is probably skewed through the media I consume. I do watch a lot of channels like Lackluster YouTube videos (shows corruption and double standards in policing)

Yeah. I don't want to get into my whole take on ACAB or anything, but what I'll say quick about it is that when the court system is involved, the opportunity for abuse is way less. Police on their own with no oversight and everyone believes what they say always like back in the day, is way different from police with bodycams and modern hypervigilant cell-phone/news-media oversight like the modern day, is way different from police having to show up in court and the defense lawyer gets to mount a vigorous at-length factual challenge to whatever they're saying happened. It's still far far from a perfect system (public defender / plea agreement / wtf) but it's also not equal to the stereotype where all the cops are just trying to get out and do as much harm to society as they can possibly manage every single day and nothing like working to catch rapists ever happens in real life.

Plus, if the cops wanted to falsify the DNA and put someone away, they can do that without 23andme being involved. If they're trying to run a match against the DNA they found to look for people to interview / cross match with whatever sample they have, then that's already a moderate indication that they're trying to find the actually guilty person.

Well prosecutors and cops are incentivized to get arrests. Whether to pump numbers up for promotions or to use in campaigning.

Accurate, and it does impact their decisions in ways that are sometimes pretty bad

So it wouldn't surprise me if cops turn a cold case into a witch hunt because some partial DNA match in a "private" database gave them a few suspects and then they start to build some case to fit the suspects.

What do you think the ratio is of unsolved rapes, to felony cases that were falsified by cops and prosecutors that led to a conviction? I know the second one happened one time in the recent past, and it was a big enough deal that they made a Netflix special about it. I don't know of it happening a second time besides that.

The big real-world implication I'm aware of is that law enforcement can match DNA they found somewhere against 23andme's database. Then if you (or any of your relatives!) are in the database because they've ever used 23andme, they'll find that out, and they can use it to investigate or prosecute you.

Whether you think that's a good or a bad thing depends a lot on whether you think the cops should be able to succeed if they get a hold of someone's DNA and are looking for the person to match their sample against... that success is, to me, much more likely to be a good thing than a problem, but that may not be the consensus view here and it's certainly a massive, massive privacy implication.

Those people almost never engage with presented points. They prefer to construct their own strawman because then they can attack it with the well-hammered propaganda slogans.

My experience has been the exact opposite. If I see a conversation where one side is using strawmen or talking points, it's almost universally the pro-Gaza anti-Biden side (edit: I (over)simplified and made less inflammatory).

I won't say this has never happened to you from the other side, just saying my experience. For what it's worth, I can only speak to my own behavior and I try to make a serious effort not to do this -- so like here's an example. This is me having one of the discussions you're talking about, and I think my interlocutor was speaking in perfectly good faith and I don't think they were a shill, I was pretty happy with the conversation overall, but still he kept repeatedly telling me that I wasn't willing to support the cause of Gaza by giving opposition to Biden, even as I kept repeatedly explaining to him that that wasn't accurate, and where I actually stood on it. I won't say that's a strawman; like I say I think it was genuine misunderstanding / persistent assumption on his part instead of anything bad-faith. But it definitely stood out to me as "like bro how can you not get this, we went over this so many times." And that's like a 90th percentile result; almost everyone I talk to about it is way less open-to-listening-to-me than that.

That's why you see most Democrats, especially voters, attacking leftists far more than you ever see them attack Republicans. They agree with Republicans on most things (which is why elections have become exclusively culture wars - they all agree that late stage capitalism is bae,) but leftists represent another way entirely and that threatens their status quo.

I 100% agree with this, as it applies to the political class of Democrats. Most Democratic voters, as far as I've experienced, actually have wildly more left-wing views than the DNC or establishment candidates will let them vote into action. E.g. Bernie Sanders was the most popular politician for years after 2016, and still polls as more popular than either Biden or Trump.

For example, single payer health care.

Most voters don't know what that is, I think, but if it's explained to them or if they're asked about "Medicare for all," they're in favor of it. It's mostly just the Democratic establishment that blocks it being able to come to fruition (I mean, when combined with absolutely rabid world-is-ending fanatical opposition from the Republicans.)

To be clear, I'm speaking generally, not about you personally. I don't know you so I've no grounds to judge you. I'm sure you're a perfectly fine internet rando. :P

Hey, thank you! You're perfectly fine too. It is grand.

Here is my unscientific assessment, presented with maximal pissing everyone off energy:

• !technology@lemmy.world @lemmy.world - Idiots
• !linux@lemmy.ml @lemmy.ml - Idiots
• !technology@beehaw.org @beehaw.org - Fine
• !world@lemmy.world @lemmy.world - Shouty, bad opinions
• !technology@lemmy.ml @lemmy.ml - Absolutely massive idiots
• !worldnews@lemmy.ml @lemmy.ml - Shouty bad opinions backed by the firepower of mod censorship
• !programmerhumor@lemmy.ml @lemmy.ml - Idiots
• !opensource@lemmy.ml @lemmy.ml - More idiots
• !news@beehaw.org @beehaw.org - Kinda quiet but fine
• !news@lemmy.world @lemmy.world - Bad opinions
• !politics@lemmy.world @lemmy.world - Fine, weirdly enough (aside from a massive and vocal shill population)
• !programming@programming.dev @programming.dev - More massive idiots

I guess maybe it's offensive that I'm calling so many people idiots. I'm not tryin to be offensive or insult any particular reader or poster or any person in particular; I'm just talking about the general vibe of the sub. Especially on the tech subs, there's just this really notable feature that the level of how much people understand things is really unusually low, and the level of how confident they are in their opinions and passing judgement on everything and arguing about it is really unusual and shockingly high.

So like as an example take this post. Dude is coming in like "hey what do you think of this," posts a perfectly reasonable and actually really insightful and in-depth-knowledgeable article, and a whole bunch of people who the point of the article went totally over their heads come in to tell him "BRO HE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, C IS LOW LEVEL, HOW CAN YOU SAY IT'S NOT." It was absolutely unanimous. I really tried to come up with a different word for what that is, that wouldn't be offensive, but I couldn't manage it. It's just... I don't know. It's a toxic and unproductive environment that makes me not want to be involved.

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Most are empty of new content which is fine. Pretty much the only stuff I unsubscribe to is tech or politics subs that seem overrun with bad opinions, or meme / fluff content. In particular I like:

• !unix_surrealism@lemmy.sdf.org
• !becomeme@sh.itjust.works
• !traditional_art@lemmy.world
• !HistoryRuins@kbin.social
• !historyporn@lemmy.world
• !artporn@lemm.ee
• Everything from mander.xyz