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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Vietnam was an unusually innocent-civilian-killing war by US standards, which is saying something. Mass murder of civilians including carpet-bombing of defenseless villages happened there on a scale much larger than Israel is currently doing in Gaza, yes.

But even within the context of Vietnam, something like My Lai was a big, big deal. The whole incident is pretty fascinating if pretty grim reading. We all instantly know of that single event however many generations after it happened. Even before the press got it, lots of the military brass became involved, congress was involved, a lot of people whitewashed it, but also, a lot of people didn't. The army had already charged Calley with murder before the press found out about it; his prosecution (which they'd attempted to keep quiet) was actually what leaked to the press initially and got them to start digging for more details.

Hugh Thompson was the US commander who landed his helicopter between the Americans and Vietnamese civilians and ordered his men to shoot the Americans if they tried to get past. He was awarded a distinguished flying cross, and his men received bronze stars. Most of the country back home treated him as a traitor, but at least on paper, the army actually didn't. He threw away his medal because the army had continued the whitewash in the description of the incident when they gave him the commendation, and the army found out, and they gave him a soldier's medal instead, which was the highest honor they could give him which came along with an accurate description of an event that didn't involve contact with enemy forces.

Calley was originally given life, then it was reduced to 20 years. I remember it being Nixon who pardoned it down to house arrest a couple years later, but Wikipedia says something different. IDK. Fuck Nixon.

The reason I'm saying all this is: I'm not trying to give the "finger fucking and carpet bombing" US military any kind of free pass on what they do. But also, when anything like all of that happens within the IDF or Knesset as a result of Israel doing approximately one My Lai per 2-3 days, let me know.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 5 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Fair point but most countries at least make some effort that there's an actual war going on against armed adult combatants when the people on the ground do their little occasional war crimes. Israel as far as I can tell is just going into a mostly-disarmed-and-civilian population and shooting whoever they feel like including children and doctors and aid workers; I actually don't know what the word for that is but calling it "war" is sugarcoating by an obscene amount what it is.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 7 points 2 years ago

Got it, makes sense.

And ha, yeah sorry if it was overly snarky, I just see some people where "oh my GAWD you said the wrong thing in your press release" is their only barometer of ethical behavior and was just wanting to poke at you if that was the case. 🙂

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Just curious, do you buy things from Amazon?

I'm not trying at all to disagree with the idea of being ethical in how you send your dollars, but I'm curious how much is prioritized actual harm to suffering people in the real world when you do this.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 3 points 2 years ago

More or less agreed. Side note though, votes on Lemmy aren't private. Admins or self-hosters can always see them if they care, and other platforms (notably Friendica and kbin/mbin depending on version and config) display the identities of people voting to everyone. It seems wrong to me that most Lemmy-style platforms don't make this clear.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's honestly very perplexing to me

Like why did 5 people upvote just pure combative nonsense. What did they see in it that led them to say "yeah this resonates with me, fuck this guy for objectively false reasons! I support this message!"

It's just confusing

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

What are you talking about, I don't see any tick. Are you talking about the big text that says "NONCONSENSUAL BLUE TICK"?

Maybe I am missing something but it kinda looks like Lemmy is engaging once again in a favorite activity, finding reasons why someone is "problematic" whether true or not, because that's more fun than just engaging in reasonable posting and commenting and letting people be worth listening to sometimes

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I wouldn't use "air purifier" as a metric, since it was already a big public story that surely any search engine that's even half paying attention would have made sure the results for are good. Probably some other consumer good is better for an un-preannounced test run.

(Also I'm not sure that searching "top 10 air purifier" and complaining that you got a top result of top10.com/air-purifiers and that's not what you wanted makes a ton of sense. FWIW, I did try "air purifier" just out of curiosity and saw a very clear result that DDG had the best results, Google second, and Kagi third.)

I repeated it for "good wireless router" and saw different results; for them, the outcomes were fairly similar with Kagi somewhat better (returning Wirecutter as the top result, and an obselete Stack Exchange answer as the 2nd, which okay it's not right but I get where you're coming from sir), and Google and DDG as secondary (returning PCMag and CNet at the top and Wirecutter only further down below).

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think it's not that complicated -- Kagi's search results are just far more useful. I think it's marketed at people who want good search results, not anything dealing with privacy (although, Kagi doesn't log your searches, so it's fully private for most everyday definitions) -- your viewpoint for you makes perfect sense to me and sure I respect it, but I don't think it's right to say that people are linking their credit cards to do a have-to-be-logged-in-first search on Kagi chiefly for reasons of privacy focus.

(I just tried the same experiment Doctorow tried, of searching for something that I'd been unable to find through Google, and Kagi did the same thing for me that it did for him (i.e. found it). That's actually not important enough for me to pay for Kagi, but "Google is shit now" is no fringe opinion and it's pretty easy to verify that Kagi does in practice work markedly better.)

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 5 points 2 years ago (13 children)

Why is that an issue?

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Marmite featured prominently in Taskmaster, from the last days when the contestants were consistently weird enough for TM to be really good

Somewhere there is an outtakes reel with Sally Phillips and Alex Horne pouring absinthe on toast and eating it and getting drunk

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