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Ooooh

Yeah I totally missed it. My apologies.

If only there was a meme that specifically debunked this argument.

I actually agree with you about the behavior of electing "Democrats" in the abstract; the Hillary Clintons and Nancy Pelosis of the party have been selling out the working class for enough decades in a row now that it's easy to become disillusioned. But Biden's record is actually pretty far above the norm for Democrats. And, in this specific election, trying to apply this logic is like trying to fistfight the firefighters who are trying to put your house out, because you heard they misappropriated some of their funding last year.

If only it were possible to make social media posts more than once.

Personally I think you're overstating the electoral impact of this post -- if it really were "one powerful argument posted on social media = 350 votes", then a community of 100 people could each make a post a week from now until the election and swing the election by one million votes.

I actually do think that's somewhat similar to how it works. It is widely acknowledged that authoritarian governments are running organized troll campaigns on social media; every big social media platform has a team assigned to detecting and combatting it. I don't think that would be happening if it simply produced 0 result. I think the result is less than 350, but it's definitely not 0.

Yah dude. The disillusionment with the current US governmental and economic system, I get that. It makes sense to me.

If you're concerned about climate change specifically, Extinction Rebellion is a protest group agitating to turn the governments of the world against their currently mass-suicidal course of policy. Biden's been able to do a certain amount about it even in the face of pretty stiff resistance from the entirety of our corrupted governmental system, but the current pace of change isn't going to be enough to give us a livable planet in the future, so getting involved in the solution seems like a good idea.

Dawg I'm not trying to bring Trump to power. I'm trying to send a message that we're not going to keep playing the game of the two parties putting forth their worst candidates and that if they're not going to represent us, we can and will replace them.

Replacing the Democrats with a further-left party sounds like a great idea. Pressuring the Democrats to move to the left sounds like a great idea.

Failing to elect the Democratic nominee in the upcoming election will absolutely guarantee that both of those will become almost impossible for quite some time. If you didn't like that Bernie Sanders got cheated out of the nomination, I bet you'll be significantly more unhappy once he or anyone like him can get thrown in prison or shot in the head.

You could join an organization of people trying to fix the system for you and people like you. You'd probably find quite a lot of common cause with the people there, if the Democratic establishment is too worker-hostile for you even in its Bidenized form (which I could understand).

And yet, you're such a genius at political science that you've got essential insights on how voting works that the rest of us aren't privy to. It is a mystery.

I think this is the behavior of a shill who simply has no argument against the things that are being said, but is on the clock to oppose it in some fashion, and pretending to be so pants-on-head mentally disabled that they can't comprehend the pretty straightforward things people are saying is the only thing they can come up with that still lets them be aggressive against it.

I think. I have no idea; maybe they're just a deeply combative person who's uninterested in reading. Like I say, I think if they are a shill, that this type of behavior actually has the exact opposite effect of what it's supposed to be doing. If it was me I think I would start talking about anarchism and rebellion and how the left needs to turn to real violence to achieve its ends... like sidestep the whole brain-dead argument of "voting won't produce electoral outcomes" and try to positively support something that will indirectly get people thinking in a different direction from political organizing, and still be destructive to the country overall.

Here's a list of jobs with the Biden campaign, for anyone who's okay with the establishment version of the left and wants a job that's more productive than optimizing Adwords campaigns to sell sneakers or whatever. Most are in-person in Delaware and pay about $90k.

(I actually completely by accident linked to an activist organization that does have quite a few concrete answers to your question "What good things?" It's not my problem if you weren't able to find them. But, what I was intending to do was just totally ignore your bad-faith combativeness and link to some useful resources, instead of engaging in this whole hostile exchange in any capacity.)

There's an image which explains what I'm talking about

It is somewhere

It's very near

If you search, I think you will be able to locate it. Don't give up

If you feel like your vote is useless because both choices are not even remotely close to even the same ballpark of the same level of bad but Biden's still pretty far from what you want, consider joining Bernie Sanders's activist organization, instead of trying to bring Trump to power through inaction while cloaking yourself in a tissue-thin veneer of bullshit to justify your Trump-enablement as a good thing somehow.