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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 2 points 1 year ago

Nice pivot. Meanwhile, over in some other thread, happened the mirror image exchange:

A: Biden is (horrible thing the Republicans did) on purpose! We can't trust him!

B: Here's why he's not actually doing that thing, with evidence

A: New topic! Lemmy is a monolith, you all just reject any criticism of Biden!

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 3 points 1 year ago

There it is again: "Democrat voters."

Do you know why that's a notable thing to me that I'm bringing it up, I wonder?

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 15 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Stronger NLRB -> stronger unions -> wage increases at the lower end of the pay scale

As long as you keep replying to me, I'm going to keep lightning-rounding concrete tangible changes that have happened as a result of recent elections.

I could write "no fascist dictatorship" but that one's a little easier to dismiss as hyperbole I think, even though it's not

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Biden took some pretty unusual action to strengthen the NLRB, which is part of the reason unions have been having all these successes recently. It's not just the one or just the other; the battles the unions have been picking and the hard work they've been doing have been able to win them successes, and also they've also been getting legal and political backing that they usually haven't been getting, and each makes the other easier to do.

But also, yes, housekeepers are seeing the increase. Increases in wages for anyone tends to drive competition that drives up wages for everyone who's roughly in the same bracket and category. What I meant in talking about the lower end was overall US wage income at the 10th percentile; I was just using housekeeping as one random example. But yes:

The typical housekeeper therefore saw their wages beat inflation by 15.1 percentage points, even in a time of incredibly high inflation. That's fucking astoundingly unusual, even if it's invisible to most people who talk about politics and economics in Washington and on Lemmy.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If a candidate goes out of their way to not represent you, derides and ignores your needs, why would you vote for them?

The recasting of voting as some sort of loyalty or allegiance or like a parasocial relationship you're supposed to have with the candidate is weird and not how it works.

You would vote for them because it'll produce a better outcome.

If you want to get the bums out of the Democratic party, so that we can vote for even better outcomes than the ones currently on the table, fuckin' tell me how, because I'm starting to agree with you that it would be super important. But withholding votes for the better guy over the worse guy in the meantime is like refusing to look for a job until the rates of pay that you're seeing on Indeed start to get higher. Simply not how it works and counterproductive to what you're trying to accomplish.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 1 year ago

I think we have begun to go in circles (or maybe did some time ago).

Good luck with things

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 14 points 1 year ago (22 children)

Your cheap TV tells you

Bro your talking points are like 15 years out of date

Prove to me that voting is actually implemented and a functional interaction with the world

Abortion

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They are not mutually exclusive. You can advocate for reform to the voting system, which is a massive undertaking which will take quite a long time and a lot of effort and may or may not succeed, while still showing up one day and taking one action which (aggregated together with millions of other people doing the same) may save us from impending fascism.

If you think that not voting will "incentivize" the institution of ranked choice voting you are living in a pure fantasy world. In this specific election though it will incentivize the creation of a fascist dictatorship. If you thought FPTP voting was bad wait until "the state legislature overrules everyone's votes" past the post.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm gonna go and check what are the top 3 posts for the past week in !politics@lemmy.world and !world@lemmy.world

Okay fuck. None of it is anti Biden. However, story number 4 is "Nancy Pelosi Among 40 House Democrats Demanding Biden Halt Weapon Transfers to Israel." +486 upvotes, -15 downvotes

Seems like if it's criticism that makes sense, people are fine with it, and if it's just an excuse to throw poop nuggets at him, people don't like it. For example I'm not really aware of any significant contingent that thinks it's anything other than horrifying that Biden is supporting Israel in its genocide.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 0 points 1 year ago

You can either have AIDS, or else this milkshake that also has some rocks in it.

FTFY

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

TBH I think I read "Biden has made no progress" and "It doesn't help to deny his failures" and didn't read in depth much beyond that. I think you're right that it was unfair to assume; rereading it now, I just don't really understand what they actually meant. But yeah maybe it was unfair to assume what I did about what they're saying.

Like they say "it seems impossible that Biden could have actually addressed abortion rights in any meaningful way beyond what he did." Okay, agreed... So is it still a failure of his that I'm not acknowledging?

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 7 points 1 year ago

I mean I'm not trying to be condescending or hostile about it even though I absolutely was. It just seemed like you were making an argument that made absolutely no sense. If you want to clarify because I've misunderstood something about what you're saying, I'm fine with that.

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