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Yeah. If it wasn't Gaza, it would be something else. They're just gonna pick whatever is the best thing they can come up with and run with it with whatever consistent day after day flow of non stop memes and bad arguments. With Gaza they kind of have a point, there's plenty of legitimate criticism to be made, but it's not like the whole sub would be organic logical discussion about "hey how are we going to get Ranked Choice Voting actually implemented" and making progress if nothing had happened in Gaza. They'd be back on unions or claiming that he was bad on transgender issues or saying he tripped when he was walking up the stairs or forgot someone's name one day, OMG FUCK FUCK FUCK DON'T VOTE, HE'S TERRIBLE, DON'T VOTE WHATEVER YOU DO.

Honestly the thing that pisses me off the most about it is that the neverending back and forth of "Biden is bad" "Trump is worse" "but Biden is bad" "but Trump is worse" drowns out anything more pleasant and productive that could be happening instead, and turns people off, because the whole nature of the discussion is overall hostile and unreasonable. I mean that's sort of the nature of the beast as far as politics subs; it doesn't need any extra amplification from outside. I miss the /r/sandersforpresident days when people were organizing and trying to talk about real shit and get things done.

I love how with pure Goebbels-style repetition, the idea "Trump is so horrifying that we should put a stop to him even if you think the alternative isn't great" has become some kind of bogeyman. Bro, it is the reality. It is the unvarnished truth and I can't see how anyone can possibly say it's not.

If you don't like a local police force brutalizing your protest and Biden not doing anything to stop them or even say they shouldn't do that (which, I agree, is bad), you're really not gonna like Trump v2 ordering the National Guard to open fire on you or having federal agents drive around snatching people. And that was last time, before Project 2025 succeeded in its organized effort to remove a lot of the guard rails that prevented, for example, those orders to fire on protestors from actually being carried out.

And yes, working for ranked choice voting, or giving the Democrats a whole bunch of shit for being their corrupt neoliberal selves, both sound like great ideas. I don't see those as mutually exclusive with voting not to end the world in this specific election. Do you know for example how difficult it will be to work for ranked choice voting if Trump's expanded CBP has seized the voting machines and is going to announce who the winner of all the elections at all levels going forward is?

If you really feel like the Seattle Times knowing your real name is a catastrophe, you can buy one of those Vanilla Visa gift cards and use that for the subscription. I think that's not necessary, but it's certainly an option.

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Yeah, that's fair -- if there's a huge variety of news sources posted, so that the model is that you subscribe to /c/news but have to pay $50/month to all sorts of places to actually read the articles (even to subscribe the main sources posted), then it's a problem.

Ha, I'd like to keep arguing but it seems that me and the Beehaw mods / community simply don't see this issue the same way. Is ok.

I fixed my comment to make more of an effort at fairness, then. Cheers.

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Dude I'm super condescending, I know. Sorry if I was coming across insulting which I probably was. But the whole mindset of, we better dodge the paywalls every chance we get, (edit: which, whether it's intended this way or not, might as well translate to) "lol get fucked people who produce the news who are going out of business left and right" irritates me.

I think your mindset of (edit: corrected the quote) "I’ve been having no problem avoiding them for free for decades" and not being interested apparently in looking further into it than that, is harmful. I explained why, probably with more hostility than needed to be there. But I still think it's harmful.

Edit: Made some edits to try to be more fair minded about it

You would describe the current state of the US, and the way the majority of the people in it view the world and how they understand what's going on and what they should do (about climate change, about politics and who to support), to be no problem?

Or you think that where people get their news and their understanding of the world plays no part in the massive problems that are at work in the country?

I'm not trying to get into a big back and forth with you about it. You can have your own opinion on those things and you're welcome to it. But it's not at all a petty thing (to me at least), and it's not any kind of outlandish threat -- it is the simple present day reality. In my opinion.

On my screen it says "Mods are encouraging the users to unintentionally undermine journalism as a workable endeavor, when it's already badly struggling in this country." What's yours say?

Have fun having all your (and everyone else's) media supplied by the Koch Brothers because you didn't feel like finding someone worth paying $7/month to