Everybody who's a phony, a big fat phony, maybe.
And one hallmark of the big fat phonies is that they try to claim everyone else is a big fat phony, too.
mozz
joined 2 years ago
"You shoulda been down at City Hall sixty thousand a you ... fuckin booing and throwing batteries at the guy who suggested it"
Therrrrre it is
After some extended conversation we've arrived at why you want to ask the question in this particular convoluted way: Because you want to imply a particular narrative, where having a more direct version of the conversation would instantly expose that what you're trying to imply is a bunch of crap.
I asked the straightforward version of your question, the answer to which you can check out, in the unlikely-to-me event that you seriously believe what you're saying here.
I think this is the new shill strategy to just introduce nonsense into the conversation to pollute and confuse. Maybe I am wrong and this person just had some kind of mental break, but I talked to them at some length and they seem absolutely committed to the idea that there are lots of Israel-supporters on Lemmy. Like I love Israel, but I also like Biden, and oh no what will I do if someone ever made me choose between them.
Who is it that you think wants to prioritize sending weapons to Israel?
It's like "Do you want this scone, or for me to shit on your carpet?" The number of people outside of niche communities who have uncertainty about the choice is not gonna be real significant (although some may answer it by expressing confusion about the question in the first place instead of just saying, the scone.)
I don't know why I spent this amount of time on this bizarre conversation, but on the off chance that you sincerely hold these beliefs and think this is a relevant question, I hope you find the enlightenment about it that you seek.
- Historically, almost any US politician who didn't give full enthusiastic support for whatever war crimes Israel wanted to commit would lose their job because of AIPAC. That doesn't seem to be true anymore but old habits die hard.
- The Mideast has a bunch of oil and we like to go on little military/covert operation adventures there that coincidentally end up with leaders in place who want to sell it to us for cheap. That means it's pretty useful to have a no-questions-asked stable ally on the ground there; we have some others, but they're not as reliable or permanent or beholden to us as Israel is.
- IDK if you've noticed but worldwide human rights is not a real big priority to the United States government 😢
Obviously the answer is Biden shipping Trump to Gaza or Ukraine
I'll keep toying with the language and see if it makes a noticeable difference.
Why not just ask, "Do you support aid to Israel?" What is the point of constructing this counterfactual and confusing choice? It's not a language issue, it's a "why is that the question you're asking" issue.
It's like, do you want Biden but with the support for Israel taken out of the equation? You're gonna get a whole lot of people who keep slamming the "yes" button until it breaks if you ask that. Why do you think that would be a difficult question or a gotcha or something?
I mean, it is a counterfactual question in a way that makes people want to take a step back from it instead of just buying into the premise and giving a straight answer. The likely outcomes are Biden + aid for Israel, or Trump + aid for Israel, so separating Biden from aid to Israel sort of comes across like a non sequitur.
As would like 99% of Lemmy as far as I can tell.
Ehhh maybe 60%.
I edited it down to 90%. I think there's about 10% who misunderstand Biden's domestic policies enough that they think he's been destructive to unions or something, and so they feel reluctant to say they want him to win even against a clear catastrophe.
Do you honestly think there are a bunch of people (40% or 4% or 0.4%) on Lemmy who like weapons shipments to Israel? What are you basing this on? I've seen one person on Mastodon who seemed like they'd bought into a lot of the propaganda that discredits news about what's happening to the Palestinians, and honestly believed the IDF was fighting a normal lawful war against armed opponents. That one person represents probably about 0.1% or less of the accounts I've interacted with; I have not seen any other person who I think would be in favor of aid to Israel.
But that is my experience; maybe I am missing something.
Is this a trick question, or a joke I'm not understanding or something?
I would choose Biden winning in 2024 and no continuing weapons shipments to Israel.
As would like 90% of Lemmy as far as I can tell.
What am I missing?
Because one of the troll accounts is trying to say Biden-supporters here mostly support giving weapons to Israel, and I'm naive enough to think it's worth investing time to demonstrate that that's a bunch of poo poo.
Why I take the internet this seriously instead of just shaking my head and moving on with my day, I honestly don't know.