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Me: Posts a story angry about Israel's crimes

You: Biden Biden Biden

Me: WTF where did that come from, also what you said is wrong

You: Ahh I see... This is about biden? did your politics get hurt? What about Israel and their crimes?

I think we're done here

Your joke was a hyperbolic exaggeration of an imaginary situation where Biden is the primary authority suppressing criticism of Israel. He isn't. Roughly in order, it's local police, then congress (not really), then Biden (not at all). That's why I reacted negatively to the joke, and to your clarification of "actual facts."

I left some room for reasonable interpretation of what you said, since "accuse" can mean either formal or informal and they're very different here. But "imprison" and "federal and state" kind of biases the interpretation towards something formal. But in any case, when I clarified exactly what I think about it, you sent me a clown emoji and got hostile about it and claimed I was changing my position. And you're confused that I'm not being super friendly? There's a big difference between someone not being polite to you and them speaking in bad faith.

I sort of have a hair trigger for this stuff because I'm accustomed at this point to all the propaganda-bots coming out of the woodwork saying "Biden Biden Biden" any time they get a chance to draw some weird tortured-logic connection between him and some unrelated story about something bad. So if it sounded like I jumped down your throat I apologize. But Biden doesn't really have much to do with Israel rejecting the cease fire, or with suppression of the protests, so it's gonna irritate me whenever someone pops into a story to bring his name into the picture out of nowhere.

You said "imprison" in your first message. I didn't misstate shit.

I looped in Tucker because it kinda looked like you asked a question implying a certain answer, and then tried to make fun of me when I provided the answer (which was different than the one you implied).

No?

The Tucker Carlson thing only works when you can Just Ask Questions in a place where people can't ackshually provide the answer.

If "accused" means "charged" then absolutely not. Local police have, as they generally do, charged protestors with some selected kinds of nonsense whether technically-valid or not, in addition to just roughing them up and arresting them and then admitting they didn't do anything wrong and letting them go.

The federal government has bought into a certain amount of the propaganda and said some ignorant shit, and hasn't been doing much to discourage the police from doing that, but as far as I'm aware, "antisemitism" in the current propaganda construction is still perfectly legal and likely to remain so (whatever non-binding resolutions congress wants to make about it.)

biden

* congress, and maybe your local police force depending on which university you go to

would imprison you for anti semeticism

* would pass a resolution vaguely implying that you're anti Semitic

for bringing it up

* for having a weekslong protest about it

Yeah, pretty much. This story goes into some details. If that's accurate, then the objections the Israelis have to the current plan boil down to:

• They want the deal to allow them to keep fighting the war and keep troops in Gaza (after its terms are fully implemented, which generally isn't how a cease fire works)
• They want to be able to keep Palestinians they have ("Iraeli veto over prisoners") while demanding the fast release of all Israelis that Hamas has ("Hamas has suggested a framework that would stretch out the hostage release")

This little section I think gets to the heart of it:

Israel has consistently opposed any deal that explicitly calls for a permanent cease-fire or an end to the war, and has said it would not agree to either until it felt its military offensive had achieved its goals. Ehud Yaari, an Israel-based fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said that the Hamas timetable would commit Israel to ending the war while Hamas still holds hostages, leaving Israel without any leverage.

It's a very cunning little construction. The deal involves the release of all hostages, of course, in exchange for the end of the war. He's placing "commit Israel to ending the war" (after the deal) next to "Hamas still holds hostages" (before the deal) and getting all upset that they can't have the benefits of the deal before agreeing to their side of it, and also they want to avoid having to uphold substantive parts after agreeing to it.

Honestly I agree. I don't think Elon Musk has demonstrated the good judgement that means a company he's in charge of should be in there fuckin with people's brains, but reading the article it sounds pretty frickin cool what they're doing. I hope it works out and good things come out of it.

Very few actions on big problems are like "Okay let's a few people do this one thing and then it's fixed."

Divestment is (1) adding a little pressure in a way that, it would be reasonable to hope, will add up over time (2) even if it does nothing at all, and they just find the money somewhere else, not having you or your institutions personally profiting off the slaughter of the innocent is a good thing, I think.

Finally a reasonable voice on the issue. Biden has and will continue to show his willingness to parrot the talking points of big business over the reality most Americans face.

That's not at all what Alexrod said. He said, Biden's done a great job on the economy, but people don't feel like that's true because prices are high, and so his messaging (correctly taking credit for the gains) is wrong. Subtly sliding that over into saying Biden doesn't care about the reality, when the whole issue is that he's been working on the reality and fucking up the messaging, is misleading.

Yeah, makes sense, that's a little different. In that case there is actually congestion on the trunk that makes things slow for the customers.

My point I guess is that the people who want to sell a "fast lane" to their customers, or want to say Net Neutrality is the reason your home internet is slow when you're accessing North America, are lying. Neutrally-applied traffic shaping to make things work is allowed, of course; just want to throttle their competitors and they're annoyed that the government is allowed to tell them not to.