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I am curious to know if this is a joke or not, I assume it is

There's a massive number of people coming in, a big increase, and the Republicans have been blocking increases in funding for the US law enforcement agencies that deal with them (which, the left gives him grief for because increasing funding for ICE means he's a monster), and increases in the number of judges so there's not this huge backlog. So yes, there's a huge number of people and not enough US resources to properly care for them.

I.e. migrants are being left in limbo in inhumane conditions for long lengths of time. However, Biden's attempted several times to solve that and been specifically prevented. It's hard for me to see that as something which he is deliberately doing on purpose.

I addressed the thing that you said, which was perfectly fair although I feel there's a reasonable reason for that situation which isn't Biden's fault. The thing the other person said to me wasn't that, though; it was specifically that Biden had made family separation worse, which is absurd.

Want to explain a little more?

There is no disagreement here the SPD fought the KPD and won.

"How dare you fight back when I try to armed-uprising you, that is very unfair and my feelings are hurt now and so I can't support you."

I love the left dearly but this sounds exactly like left person logic, yes. 🙂

the division was not healed in time to form a united front against the Nazis

And again, it's relevant that the SDP was willing to heal divisions with (at least some of) their enemies to fight the Nazis, and the KPD (from what you're saying) were not (at least where the SDP was concerned).

I have no particular dog in this fight; I'm out of my depth now in terms of what happened and who was at fault. My point is, those bitter divisions and arguments and the justifications for them that you're talking about -- however you want to allocate blame for them between the SDP and KPD -- didn't do either of them a lick of good when the NSDAP started kicking down doors and shooting them both in the back of the head, and that's relevant to the upcoming US election.

I mean, I exaggerated for humor, but people did absolutely say:

• Biden ruined the economy
• Biden fucked up on climate change
• Biden betrayed us by not decriminalizing marijuana after he said he would
• "Separating families at the border" got worse under Biden
• Trump's Covid policy was amenable to people steering him the right way whereas Biden cancelled a bunch of the safety things we needed
• Biden is the one doing the genocide

Aside from the genocide, the last few were so laughable that it's easy to conclude I just made them up as a pure strawman, but yes I absolutely had people tell me the un-exaggerated version of them.

Would it be better if I spelled out exactly what were the literal things people told to me instead? Yeah maybe I shouldn't "joke" in this way if I'm gonna be saying other people are using a strawman.

I wrote in Bernie in the Democratic primary. IDK if that even gets counted; I don't know how it works, but fuck man, someone reads it I know, even if from there it goes straight into the "N/A" column.

I think a lot of it is this weird parasocial thing where it's like you have to "support" a politician to vote for them. With very rare exceptions I don't "support" any US politician, like I'm friends with them. I just want to get as good an outcome as I can for me and the other people in the world, and I think that'll come from a combination of choosing better outcomes within the system that's presented, and working outside the system to try to change it to introduce as much actual democracy into it in the long run as is possible.

So you're saying that groceries, power, and housing are NOT more expensive now than in 2020? Is that seriously what you're trying to make people believe??

I am saying that their prices have gone up pretty much by the same amount as the general CPI, including a huge spike upwards in 2022, which means that looking at the CPI without them is exactly the same (in this particular case) as looking at the CPI with them.

Stop. Read again.

I am saying that their prices have gone up pretty much by the same amount as the general CPI, including a huge spike upwards in 2022, which means that looking at the CPI without them is exactly the same (in this particular case) as looking at the CPI with them.

Makes sense, right? Or no? I'm happy to talk in a little more detail if you want.

Here are the numbers. It's complex, obviously, and some commodities will spike way, way up, or drop below 0% inflation and stay negative for a while. But it actually happens that if you average it all out, CPI with everything is right now more or less the same as CPI with the normal stuff excluded. Good things to highlight to see it are "All Items" or "Less Food and Energy" or "Shelter". Between those three, it'll give you a pretty good picture, and they all behave pretty much the same - a big hump after Covid from supply-chain shock and corporate greed, i.e. the situation Biden came in with, and then reducing steadily back down as Biden's policies got ahold of it.

Makes sense? Or no? Like I say, I'm happy to talk about the details.

This is such a weird strawman

Nobody on Lemmy likes genocide, as far as I can tell. I saw somebody who was in favor of it a couple days ago, which makes 2 users I have ever seen.

So first a whole bunch of people got up and said, I'm never voting for Biden because he ruined the economy and fucked up on climate change and made marijuana illegal again and did family separation and caused Covid and also personally did a genocide and is super happy about the war in Gaza because it's exactly what he wanted

Then a second whole bunch of people said hey every single one of those things except part of the last one isn't true, also, Trump is worse on the genocide piece

And so now the first people are insisting that what the second people said was, "Don't criticize support for genocide". That wasn't the point. The fact that a good bit of what the people in the first group are saying, is wrong, means they get people disagreeing with them, which always gets misrepresented as some lunatic pro-genocide silencing of criticism. But it's pretty much never a message of "please stop criticizing my genocide guy otherwise Trump might win."

If you want to express urgency about helping the Palestinians, please do so. Send messages to your congresspeople. Vote "uncommitted." Go to a protest. Tell Biden he'll only get your vote if he (X, Y, Z). Any of those things, or something else. Sounds great.

I think the thing you're hearing is more "I want to end genocide just as much as you do, now let's talk about how to do it, and also yes how to avoid one that's 10 times worse that depending on how we go about it might be one of the possible outcomes." I don't see why that would be frustrating to hear. And I don't think it's at all the same as "please stop criticizing Biden that's not allowed" or anything like that. Most of the threads on this topic have their most upvoted comment as "Jesus Christ I wish he wouldn't do that" or something along those lines; this fiction where criticizing Biden for enabling this genocide is at all unpopular is not at all the reality.

I wonder if they think the Palestinians find it very convenient.

Actually, one of them weighed in on Lemmy on this exact narrative, where people are using his dead relatives to justify this one very particular political stance about being reluctant to vote for Joe Biden (and for some reason not to justify getting involved in some electoral or non-electoral way to actually help his relatives who are still alive). He wasn't about it.

Absolutely accurate. Also means it's kind of silly to kick out (with no plan for a better replacement, and with specific plans for something much much worse) the guy who actually vice gripped them together by a little bit, though, or assert that he's hurting everyone on purpose and that they're actually still going apart and that's his fault and if you try to tell me any different then (hostility).

Usually, economic policies on the scale of the whole country take quite a while to kick in and really produce significant improvement even when you can get them through congress (which, a bunch of his more aggressive than this stuff, he couldn't).

Plus several points for like half the output arrows leading to Python instead of trying to achieve some kind of false "both sides"ism on which language to pick starting out

Minus several points for the fairly bizarre list of out-of-date languages down below which are fairly poorly mapped onto characters

• C is clearly Gandalf; older than time, wise and powerful, but for God's sake know what you're doing before you start fuckin with it
• Java is Saruman; superficially similar, but has fallen to the dark side, still trusted in some circles but the wise have realized that nothing good is coming from it nowadays
• C++ is Gondor. It can get shit done and you may be in a position where its power is all that's between you and ruin, but beware, parts of it have become corrupted
• Javascript is clearly Gollum. You may need to travel with it, it has a part to play and still some good inside, but you won't like it and it won't like you.
• Python is Merry and Pippin. Yeah they're friendly, they steal mushrooms and they like to sleep late, but in a crush they can absolutely come through.

And so on