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Yep

And every so often one of them will say “Democrat voters” or use non-American number styles or some other similar little inconsistency, and then pretend not to know what you’re talking about if you ask questions about it

Oh look, it’s a bunch of crap

Eventually the administration did pass climate-investment-related provisions of BBB in scaled-down form in the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), mostly in the form of tax credits for private investment and eco-friendly consumer choices.

That’s one hell of a way to gloss over and minimize more than a trillion dollars of corporate-tax-increase money getting spent on climate change (and also working class jobs in addition)

But those investments fall far short of what climate experts say is required to rapidly decarbonize

This part is true 😢. We need 10 times more and we needed it 20 years ago. On the other hand, Biden started working on it instantly and managed to get something passed which is almost 10 times more than any other US president has done.

and even on optimistic estimates, the bill will produce only a 6 to 10 percent reduction in emissions relative to a non-IRA scenario.

6 to 10 percentage points, not 6 to 10 percent. Measuring percent is a little weird but you could say the reduction in emissions compared with 2005 levels is about 33% more than it was pre IRA. We save about 500 million tons of CO2 per year with the IRA, 10% of our total 2005 emissions. (I also don’t know of any optimistic scenario that has the impact as small as 6 percentage points, let alone 6 percent)

Perhaps most important, for all the celebration of the Biden administration’s progressivism by Sanders, Biden’s policies have not meaningfully raised living standards for many working Americans

This is an incredibly artful construction. Not having COVID happen at all would not have meaningfully changed living or dying standards of many alive Americans. There are many Palestinians who have not been killed by the war in Gaza. See how that works?

Hey ozma pop quiz - what happened to working class wages (inflation adjusted) between 2019 and 2024? I feel like we’ve talked enough about it that you should know the numbers. We could say that “working class” means 10th percentile or 20th or really any percentile you want to pick.

Those downvotes arrived quick

Op: It’s not because Jews, it’s because Israel. But you knew that already.

He got 12 months probation and is still a US attorney

“What are you trying to hand me?” a Tampa police officer asked. “You realize when they pull my body-worn camera footage and they see this, this is going to go really bad.”

Apparently not

NYT doing its thing again. From the party platform:

To reach net-zero emissions as rapidly as possible, Democrats commit to eliminating carbon pollution from power plants by 2035 through technology-neutral standards for clean energy and energy efficiency. We will dramatically expand solar and wind energy deployment through community-based and utility-scale systems, including in rural areas. Within five years, we will install 500 million solar panels, including eight million solar roofs and community solar energy systems, and 60,000 wind turbines

I mean there’s more. Not all of it is as specific or aggressive as that, but some is. As they usually do as pertains to US political coverage the NYT is pretty much just making stuff up in this story.

Okay so I just deleted a whole bunch of stuff. Honestly, let's just get to the root of it.

Protestors are there to remind libs (who, as you pointed out, are safe from harm themselves no matter what the democratic policy is on Israel)

No - I meant you. You're safe from harm. You can advocate for something that might get Trump elected, and I think it's safe to say no fighter jets will commence carpet bombing anywhere where your family is, if it happens.

I'm safe from harm too. I've flown close enough to see little flashes in the distance, I briefly dated someone who grew up in a refugee camp, I've spent a little bit of time staying with someone who was captured and tortured at one point in his life. That kind of secondhand stuff is as close as I've come. I don't want to come any closer. I have my safe, privileged life. But I've experienced this stuff second hand; I've been friends with people who were crippled by these policies and decisions, had the arc of their lives changed without their consent.

You keep bringing it back to shit that doesn't matter. I don't care whose fault it is. I don't care what you think is opaque or ambiguously defined, or what frameworks you feel like are too complicated to want to spend the mental effort on, so you use simple ones instead. I care about dying people, and how we change it; what's going to work, and what isn't.

No, you may not return to your brunch, look at the shit that still needs cleaning up

someone saying "democrats haven't done enough"

that the work is not yet done. This includes people on Lemmy who are serving you reminders that things continue to be shit, despite what little democrats have actually done.

I can dig up 10 different times when I've been doing exactly that, on Lemmy. Do you want me to? If it's useful for you to hear it, I'm happy to show it to you.

I thought about it for a while, and I think the reason we're not seeing eye to eye is this: The Democrats are not my friends. No one in Washington is my friend. When I'm saying, I want the Democrats to win this upcoming election, it's purely because that will keep some people alive who will die under Trump. There's a very few people in Washington, of any party, that I actually think have any kind of human standing on anything, that I would "support" in the sense of hey I like this person, I want them in charge. Kamala Harris isn't one of them.

I feel like -- tell me if I'm wrong -- you're interpreting all this that I am saying like I "support" Kamala Harris, and you're trying to get me not to. Like I think what she's doing is sufficient and you need to debunk that. You can stop. I don't. Put it this way: If one of my neighbors regularly made phone calls and ordered people to be killed, I wouldn't hang out with them. That's pretty much everyone in power in Washington: Biden, Harris, McCain, Trump, Adam Schiff, you get the idea. I look at them all (again, with a very small number of exceptions) as almost like these dangerous robots who somehow have this unimaginable power.

I'm not saying that I think, yes let's change the system and get these fuckin maniacs out of power and also let's Kamala Harris win this particular election, because of any of the stuff you are debunking in your message. Most of your message, I agree with. I am saying blah blah also let's Kamala Harris win this particular election because according to the only other available alternative, a whole fuck a lot (more -- much more) people will die. That's not imaginary -- it is real as you or I. Figuring out how to make a non performative change and what will work and what won't is important.

If you show me a strategy "hey here's how we can get better than the Democrats in power" I will start supporting it instantly. It feels like -- again, tell me if I'm wrong -- you think that what you're advocating is that, and I'm refusing to support it and so I must love Democrats or something. That's not the case. I just don't think what you are advocating will work (definitely not in the short run which is when most of the Palestinians will die). If you want to talk about, why not, how can we get something that will work, let's rap. But -- I don't know how many times I have to say it -- stop telling me how important it is to arrive at something better than the Democrats. You can silence that, and move on from it, or just keep wasting your time typing it over and over again, I guess, if you want to, but that's what you're doing when you type it.

Doesn't that make sense? Or no? You tell me.

I ran in and told my parents and I couldn’t understand why they weren’t more impressed / alarmed about it

Like guys the world is ending or something idk why it’s not a big deal

The war crimes were inside us all this time

What were a couple of the conclusions he drew that really impressed you? I listened to some of it.

Fuck 'em up

You're allowed to say whatever you want; freedom of speech. You're not allowed to operate as an unregistered agent of a foreign power within the US.

If they're not filling out their 1124 forms, then fuck 'em. To prison they go. It can be a little lesser version preview of how they are saying they like for things to work in their chosen country of emulation and praise.