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You claim that I think genocide is fine, and then hope I don't take issue with the framing?

This is a very bizarre conversation

It's been a while since I've seen the Chewbacca Defense bad-faith arguing technique: Say something so nonsensical that it's difficult to even arrive at a response without being tainted yourself by the incoherence.

I typed part of a response but honestly what’s even the point

Here is how to find a protest in case it is useful to any of the 100% of Lemmy people who think that genocide is neither good nor fine

Wait but I thought Biden was hurting the poor on purpose and inequality was getting worse on purpose and even having inherited a fantastic

And so on

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And then a guy who’s banging it over and over again while saying “I will NEVER support a genocide”

(It is way more than double btw. Not that numbers are the point, but way more than 70,000 people died who didn’t need to just from Trump fucking up the Covid response, and you can add in Kurds or Ukrainians if you need it to tick the Genocide Region of France box, and that was before co-opting the military and preventing it from giving the strong push back they did the last time around)

They are not stupid; they are deliberately misunderstanding.

I feel a little bit silly even trying to “explain” this like there will be anyone who’s informed by it, but no one here is pro genocide. I would be surprised if you could find 5 people on Lemmy ever who said that genocide is good if done by Democrats, or at any other time.

Here is where to find a protest; go there and meet some new friends, do what you can to stop the genocide. How to do it, I don’t really know, but posting on Lemmy about not voting for Biden will not accomplish it for a couple of different reasons.

Creating an LLM that can babble plausible nonsense at you, with no particular guarantee of truth although a lot of the time it will be perfectly sensible, is (for as fucking amazing a statement as this is) not overly hard at this point.

Getting it to make sense and not do bad things is the hard part. That was the huge innovation that made ChatGPT different from the nonsense-machines that were its early predecessors.

Rob Miles gave a very unsettling talk where he said, the main danger of AI is that commercial pressures will push it into the implementation phase, once the easy part of making it do stuff is done, before the much harder part is done of making it do reliably what you want it to do. And what we’re seeing now is a pretty solid confirmation that yes, that is absolutely the behavior we can count on in the future, and it will get more and more dangerous as AI models get more and more capable.

"Try not to catch any felonies on the way to the parking lot!"

ICE is a fascist organization

True dat

that serves no purpose other than terrorizing migrants

Debatable but yeah you could make a pretty strong case. Certainly that's one of their core missions if not the core mission.

Anyone who funds them is also a fascist

You fund them, through taxes, if you live in the US

Oh wait, you might say, that's different because I don't really have a choice because of etc etc

How does it feel funding a fascist organization?

There's not overcrowding because of lack of means

Citation needed

Are you suggesting that there are empty ICE detention facilities somewhere, that aren't holding any migrants so that they can be deliberately put into only a few of them?

Or that they're all full and there is money to build more / staff more that's just not being touched on purpose, because ICE cares so much about being cruel that they're forgoing hiring more people and adding more hours just so they can run a smaller operation?

They don't really have a shortage of ways to be cruel, even if there were no overcrowding.

Democrats are pushing extremely far right legislation. They're not trying to make legal migration more orderly, they're trying to "crackdown" same as the GOP. It's why Biden rolled back very few if any of Trump's insane policies; they're both deeply racist.

This all sounds like all assertion no citation, to me.

Actually family separation (rather starting a task force to find the families of the separated kids) was one of the first reversals of Trump's policies that Biden did but there are a whole bunch of them. The separation was already stopped because it was too horrifying even for US immigration authorities, but the kids were still in custody with no effort to give them back to their parents until Biden. It was like one of his first things he did.

No idea why you're so committed to rocking back and forth chanting to yourself, Biden's a bad man, Biden's a bad man, Biden's a bad man. You can talk about Gaza and find no shortage of terrible things he did; you don't have to react to something factual by just starting to chant it again in every case.

Yeah, I get it. You're not wrong. I wasn't even really thinking in terms of the details of how it does need to happen. I'm just saying it's crazy that we're still investigating. Y'all (meaning congress) are going to investigate your way along right up until the Oathkeepers come into congress armed and tell you who goes and who stays, it sounds like.

CHARGES

It's fine if you want to open an inquiry, but there is not the slightest shortage of things that it's been demonstrated that Trump did wrong

Have the sergeant at arms go and fetch some people who contempt of congress'd and lock them up under the Capitol until they agree that they were wrong and they'll answer questions now

Make a habit of finding a new crime every day that no one's done something about, from Trump or one of his allies, and recommend charges to the DOJ for it, whatever the terminology is. Give Matt Gaetz a subpoena because the house wants to investigate him paying underage girls for sex. Tell Boebert that giving handies in a theater is an ethics violation, and give her a fine, and have someone who's armed physically block her path trying to come into congress until she pays it.

IDK, I still fully agree with the reasons why political people shouldn't be telling the DOJ who to prosecute, I'm not saying do that. But surely a fact-finding mission to find out whether or not Trump and his friends are crooks is no longer necessary at this point.

There is actually a crisis at the border, just not the kind that Fox News thinks is going on.

The rate of people coming into the country has shot up, which means there's this massive amount of people either waiting in sort of open-air camps on the Mexican border, just living in a crowded, dusty field for months and months waiting for their turn, and a massive amount of people already in the country in overcrowded detention centers awaiting their chance to be heard for asylum by a judge or to be processed out and sent home. Just typing it out like that maybe doesn't sound so bad, but it's grim. Some are families, some are sick (like real sick), all are with no jobs or money or a lot of times no civilized infrastructure like water or like that. Some are stuffed into overcrowded detention centers with racist, violent guards and no real rights of any kind.

Part of the Democratic immigration plan is to boost resources for ICE (more detention centers i.e. less overcrowding) and increase the number of judges to clear the backlog, which will decrease that side of the misery. Part of the plan is to deliberately increase the cruelty in some parts of the system (e.g. make it harder for people to get asylum even if your home is objectively unlivable, give ICE more aggressive tools to be racist with, things like that), so that the Republicans will make a deal and actually pass the thing. I honestly don't know what proportion is for each part, but there's some of both.

I honestly don't know that much about it, except that it's weird that people are so eagerly blaming the Democrats both for the present levels of misery in the system (which are substantial), and for their attempts to get something passed which will take some steps to alleviate the worst of the misery (how dare you give ICE more resources, etc). But since the Republicans have been rejecting any change no matter what its nature, it seems like maybe kind of a moot point.