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Cool story bro

Now tell the one about how he ruined climate change and busted all the unions. Purely out of your concern for good things happening in the US, of course; that goes without saying.

Sure! Sounds great.

I lost the battle, now I'm being super mean spirited to some obvious shill in some other thread. It is ok. I feel like it's probably more productive than not, and I am enjoying myself in a kind of this-probably-isn't-healthy way. 😃

They hired all the Hillary Clinton consultants to ask them how to finally get the party together in the right direction, and they all said yeah, the Chicago cops will fix it all for you. Best idea ever. No way it can go wrong.

I'm gonna depart from that topic of conversation now, since I think the point is pretty much made.

Hey, unrelated fact: Did you know that Biden is the first US president to ever put sanctions on Israeli settlers, and the first US president since Reagan to pause Israeli weapons shipments? And that he's currently working hard for a cease-fire? As sad as this bullshit is, he's actually better than the status quo for the US's unanimously war-criminal-ass support for Israel.

If you want to talk with me about how we can get Bernie Sanders in there instead, to actually do something substantial to put a stop to US support for Israel, maybe even turn it into tepid opposition, that sounds fuckin great, I'm all ears. But pretending that Biden's some kind of radical departure for Israel is, like a lot of things you say, totally backwards (again, for as fucking pathetic a statement as that is about the state of the US norm).

And if you want to hand the presidency to the party that's signing their names to shells that are marked out to blow up Palestinians, telling Netanyahu to "finish the job," and giving Biden a whole bunch of shit for having paused the weapons shipments and trying to figure out ways to override him on it, be my guest, but don't try to turn it around into some grand gesture that you're doing on behalf of the Palestinians. Just say it for what it is: You don't want Biden for reasons of your own, and this is a great way to attack him (because there is 100% legitimacy to it as applied to his war criminal policy -- it being the US norm is no excuse, I agree.)

Blah blah NLRB

I think being in an American tank crew that's engaged in picking on some small country that doesn't have satellites or a global supply chain or tons of experience or basically unlimited amounts of materiel or dominant military technology in every area or a coherent plan backed by 200 years of being continuously at war, is a somewhat different experience to driving around a Russian tank getting hunted by little darts in the sky that you can't see but which can swoop in and kill you at any moment. Being in the US military isn't safe, but it's also not equivalent to the generally normal expected military experience worldwide.

If even one US tank gets blown up, it's a big deal. You'll notice that whenever an Abrams or a Patriot battery gets blown up in Ukraine, it makes the news and everyone takes it super seriously -- like whoa, WTF, those are expensive please take care of them how can we make sure that doesn't happen again -- in a way it is not taken all that seriously when Ukrainian people get blown up, which has been happening quite a lot. 😕

Which is about as strong a statement as you'll ever get from the Whitehouse

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Okay so he definitely didn't say the thing you specifically said that specifically-he said? And his press secretary didn't say it either, but you decided that something totally different that she said probably meant that she thought it? I just want to double check on this.

Are you sure you don't want to commit to some particular version of what you're claiming the bill does? I mean, now that you abandoned the clearly absurd bullshit you said first time around. I'm happy to go and research and see whether you were lying this time around, too.

Or give some kind of citation for the thing where Biden vocally supported the bill and said he'd sign it? That one, I actually looked for a little bit, because I didn't want to look stupid if it was all over the news that he'd actually said that, but I couldn't find anything with a little bit of looking. But it should be pretty easy to show that you weren't talking completely out of your ass on that part, too.

Oops, my bad - I meant to say sorry for gas-lighting. Damn autocomplete. I sure am bad faith. You got me right.

That's a great point! Biden did finally take something resembling urgent action on climate change, which is the first time a US president has ever done that. He tried for a lot more, but what he was actually able to get through the congress (which took quite a bit of doing) was putting the US on track for a 40% reduction in emissions by 2030.

It's a super relevant part of his record, and increases by a significant amount the chance that we'll get to continue to exist on the earth in 100 years (although there's about 10 times more work that is needed and even than it's not certain). With as little time as we have left (basically, none), Trump would be an existential catastrophe to the entire human race, and would be even if his opponent wasn't actually accomplishing an unprecedented level of progress on the issue.

It's a good point, and I'm glad you brought it up.

Except that.. he's the President.. and it for it to become law.. well.. I hope you at least know that little about the US system of law.

I'm just gonna assume that every single person reading this can spot the flaw in your logic here, so I don't need to point it out.

And Biden has also vocally supported the law and said he'll sign it.

When did this happen?

If you are a student, thinking of becoming one, or have any kind of employment with the DOE or employing with funding related to the DOE, this would severely limit the kinds of speech you are allowed to engage in.

Interesting. Are you saying it doesn't make protesting against Israel illegal like you said before? Fascinating. But now you're completely telling the truth about this new version of what it does. Do I have both of those statements correct? I can look up whether you're lying with the new version, if this new thing is your final answer.

My god dude. It doesn't stop.

I came in here to say something cynical about hosting the DNC in Chicago this year like tempting fate, like they want to be out of power for another 24 years afterwards (which may be as long as it takes us to start to have elections again, if Trump wins). Instead I have to deal with this bullshit.

This weird and malicious bill is certainly a heap of shit, but it does nothing even remotely related to making anything illegal. The closest thing is that when investigating instances of discrimination against a Jewish student, the department of education is required to use that definition, so maybe someone who was offended by a Palestine protest could try to twist it around and say that they suffered anti-semitism, and then someone would be required etc etc I don't even really know what the impact is. But nothing is happening to protestors because of this bill (although it is of course a heap of shit, on that we can agree).

Also, it seems that sensible people are trying to kill it; there's no real guarantee that it'll even pass the Senate (although there's also talk of attaching it to something vital like FAA funding to make it tougher for Biden to veto).

Also, and most importantly, it has nothing whatsoever to do with Biden, on any level. It is very clear why you are bringing his name into it, and it has nothing to do with any kind of genuine attempt at communicating a genuine belief about US politics.