There's that, too, yes.
mozz
joined 2 years ago
Dude thank God
I won't pretend to know what the fully correct decision on stuff like this is; it's definitely complex bordering on impossible (among other reasons because I actually think it's good to have vocal easily-identifiable bad-faith accounts, because they tee up great conversations even if the original intent behind the post wasn't good and people are annoyed by it).
But that being said it seems crazy that some of these accounts are still allowed to post here freely, given what was in my view some pretty ironclad indication that they're not posting in good faith.
pointing out the valid problems Biden faces
So this touches on one of my key least favorite things about return2ozma -- I'd actually go well beyond what you saw in that one comment from him, and say that at this point, he's clearly not just pointing out valid problems. Posting negative polls is one thing, mostly completely fine. Everyone's got their viewpoint and allowed to post whatever view they want. But he'll also post specific assertions about Biden that objectively aren't true (marijuana policy being a good example), and then continue posting them after it's shown to him that they're not true -- all the while swearing that he's trying to help, just bringing up all this negative information because he really wants the Democrats to win, and so is giving constructive criticism so they can change course.
IDK man. That to me is very clear indication that he's lying about what he's trying to do, and being deliberately dishonest with what he posts. I think the posts I'm referring to were in some meme sub, not here, so maybe what you're saying about the content he posts specifically in !politics@lemmy.world coming technically from reputable sources is a valid counter argument. IDK. Maybe. But to me, avowing "I am trying to help Biden" while posting objectively false criticism of him, and not really pretending it's any other way than that, is actually worse by quite a lot than avowing "I am here to post negative information about Biden." (not that that latter one is good...)
Like I say I'm not trying to weigh in on what the right answer is (either with ozma or the other similar accounts), because I don't really see a good right answer. Just tossing in my observations as a person who doesn't have to take the responsibility of trying to figure out how to handle it.
(@return2ozma@lemmy.world - I feel a little unfair about posting this in a forum where you aren't allowed in to defend yourself; if you want to create a thread anywhere else with any response you want to make, I'll link to it from here so you can give your side of anything where you feel I've been inaccurate / unfair.)
Yeah. People just like hating on "evil" nations and she's here as a representative and open for people to start trashing her, so yeehaw here we go. Personally I've actually really liked Russians on an individual level any time I have interacted with them; they're generally kind of cocky / abrasive I guess, but they get shit done.
Also, she's coming across as kind of a bad person which makes it easy to start bashing her. But yeah I mostly agree with you. She didn't war crime anybody that we know of. I mean I'm from America; if we started bashing people for the war crimes their governments were committing I'd have to be at the head of the line.
Hm, I interpreted it a little differently -- that she was talking about coming into the US to stay and live here ("we lived in Brazil for half a year" "we need to get to the US" "I want a calmer environment"), and that's a whooole different story.
This is pure guesswork, but it sounds like maybe she knew it would be a problem so she asked the immigration guy to just write her down as British to solve the problem, and he wasn't friendly about that suggestion and long story short no she can't come in the country, stay in Mexico, good luck, next in line please. And she interpreted it within this sort of framework appropriate to traveling around in places where she was used to, like a more smekalka system and being able to travel around like she wanted, and thought he was just being a dick about it and about the way he dealt with her in general, because of some personal racism towards her or something.
That would actually be a lot more charitable interpretation towards her than what I originally said "I'm Russian so I should get to do what I want." It might just be a genuine cultural thing that she ran into that she really doesn't understand. IDK though; I mean the truth is I'm purely just guessing.
But overall, I definitely think she was trying to come into the US to stay and live here, and having trouble with it (because it's real real difficult for anyone from almost any country, generally speaking), and that's why she's so upset.
Hey, what specific things do you think he should do to improve conditions and outcomes for immigrants trying to come into the country?
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I watched it a few times and I think I broke the code. She's talking like the issue is that she's suffering all this anti-Russian-person racism everywhere she goes, but it's pretty unlikely that anything like that is happening. But something made her upset.
I think she wants to come into the US, and US immigration doesn't want her to, and she identifies that as "hatred" for the Russians because she's supposed to be able to do whatever she wants because she's Russian, not have to do some kind of dodge through Mexico and not like these Mexicans and Brazilians that she mentions. She feels humiliated that she has to ask permission, and maybe the answer will be no fuck off get lost.
Honestly, I will be the last person to say that US immigration is always decent and fair. But someone not being nice to you or treating you special is not the same as them hating you. If you want to say US immigration is being a pain in the ass and it's unfair that it's gonna fuck up your life, then fine. But saying you need to be exempt from it because you're Russian specifically, makes you into a special specific kind of person.
Yeah; it is headline engineering again. It's extremely notable to me that they wrote that story and then attached this headline to it.
They could have written the story Joe Biden Retakes the Lead Over Trump in National Polling Average, or focused on the electoral college and written Joe Biden Suddenly Leads Donald Trump in Multiple Battleground States.
Personally, I think reporting on the polls this far out of the election with the voodoo polling methodology that's in use is a pretty big waste of time whichever way they are pointing. But, clinging to some particular segment that lets you write bad news for Biden, when there's a story that's available that's actually more interesting that they could be writing as well as being more click-inducing, is a rare little fascinating window into what type of stories they're trying to write, and what ozma would like to post (i.e. not enlightening of reality). But what do I know. Why ozma's doing it, I feel like I have a pretty good idea about; why NPR is doing it is a little more of an open question.
Watch this!
I think Jewish people are great.
It's easy to forget how fucking good John Stewart is. A while back I watched some of his shows from the 2000s on police brutality, climate change, real pertinent issues like that, and it's palpable how accurately he gets to what's really going on (which isn't a real big priority for most of the news) and how much it frustrates him the general poor state of the news in the US.
I absolutely loved having him go on Bill O'Reilly and Tucker Carlson and have big arguments with them. It's like for a weird little moment, the US had some journalism in its mainstream political discourse.
Hey! 15% minimum corporate tax
Every time we have this conversation, this same point comes up, and it's always totally imaginary.
The whole board is full of people giving Biden shit (chiefly for Israel at this point; honestly it might be a different story if he wasn't giving them weapons, but as it is, I think you'd be hard pressed to find any story about US aid for Israel that doesn't have its top rated comment as giving his war criminal ass a hard time for it. As well they should.)
But the trolls like to create a reality where they are the only ones that are willing to criticize Biden, and anyone who's taking any note of their particular brand of wildly dishonest and repetitive-almost-like-someone's-doing-it-as-a-job anti Biden postings, just is part of some kind of imaginary monolith that doesn't want any criticism.
The fact that it's never true and looking at the comments for like 2 seconds will illustrate that it's not true, somehow never deters people from saying it.