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Hello!

This article is a masterclass in slant. It's not attempting to cast any doubt on whether the report shows evidence that Hamas was and still is doing a bunch of sexual assault (to which the answer is pretty clearly yes.) Instead, it does some extensive hand-wringing over related but debatable questions, so as to create out of thin air an aura of controversy and flawed reporting where none exists.

Instead of asking:

• Did Hamas rape anybody?

They ask:

• Did this investigation find evidence that Hamas formally sanctioned sexual assault by its troops? (which is a separate question from, did it happen, but even whether the official sanction happened at all is pretty irrelevant as compared with whether the rape happened)
• Was the investigation a legal investigation? Or just a team of experts gathering evidence and interviewing witnesses as they visited the sites where assaults were alleged to have taken place and then presenting their findings?
• Did anyone find videos of Hamas raping people on the dark web?

It's a bunch of crap. The UN's press release summarizes the report that this article concerns pretty comprehensively, although the full report is also very accessible if you want to see some details or skip to some particular section of their conclusions and see exactly what they were and how they conducted their investigation and what they did and didn't find.

From the report:

"Based on the information gathered by the mission team from multiple and independent sources, there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred during the 7 October attacks in multiple locations across Gaza periphery, including rape and gang rape, in at least three locations."

"With respect to hostages, the mission team found clear and convincing information that some have been subjected to various forms of conflict-related sexual violence including rape and sexualized torture and sexualized cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment and it also has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may be ongoing."

That's the important part. Creating an artificial debate couched in slanted language over, was this a legal investigation or some other type of investigation, or were we able to find a Hamas fighter who was willing to confirm to a UN investigative team that his commander said it was okay if he did some raping, is a bunch of crap.

(That's separate from the issue of this person I've never heard of, saying that making false claims of rape would cause the Israeli government to work harder to release the hostages. That doesn't make a ton of sense to me and the rest of the article is so explicitly propagandist that I'm highly skeptical.)

Hey @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world - I asked you for some details on your argument that Hamas couldn't have been raping anybody because that one released hostage didn't look pregnant. Do you want to restart that conversation?

I'm also happy to cite the evidence for anything I'm saying here or anything you want to ask about; I got tired of doing it after the first three times, the last time you posted basically this same article, but this is a whole new thread, so if you want to try just claiming confidently again that some particular things aren't in the report, I'm happy to show you where they are in the report.

Yep, and then DOS 5 coming in like space program technology, that could put the whole OS in high memory and give you 640 kb all for the user programs. And it had a DISK CACHE (which for the most part didn't work).

Godlike I tell you

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Haha yeah I did some tapes. There was some crazy thing that hooked up to my TV at home that used cassette tapes.

And yeah, BBS culture, and programming on some of the old school machines, PEEK and POKE and pre-OSX Macs, and segmented memory in the 8088-286 era. To this day I have never really understood what the point of segmented memory was, but that was what we had back in the day, and we were grateful.

I also got to do some programming at a place that had one of the massive Onyx2 machines. It lived in a whole separate room and was the size of a refrigerator. Good stuff.

Just in time as ChatGPT is becoming encrusted with inferiority

Holy CRAP, am I literally the oldest person here?

CP/M, with the 8" disks

Then DOS -> Windows -> Linux (Mandrake, then tried a few different ones, then Debian and stuck with Debian)

Hm. So I understand the different comment IDs on different servers -- the point is that searching for https://discuss.online/comment/9004867 on lemmy.world should then return a link to that same comment, with the right ID number for lemmy.world, on lemmy.world. Because through its federation backend it's able to fetch the comment in question from discuss.online and then determine what is the local ID number on lemmy.world. Exactly the same as how it works for posts.

I just mucked around with it, and it works sometimes but not other times. I suspect that it's because of backed up federation queues or too-short timeouts or something, but it definitely works some of the time. If it's unreliable it may not be that good an idea to put into practice, though, of course.

Buddy buddy. I'm on your side. If I need to say it, I think that the war crimes Israel is committing are at least 10 times worse than anything Hamas has done. That doesn't mean that all of a sudden a story about Hamas doing crimes becomes a non issue or a thing to react to with hostility. In my opinion.

I didn't say anyone here was supporting Hamas. I was saying that it seems like people are clearly reacting negatively to this story because it makes Hamas look bad, when they would be completely fine with a story that made the IDF look bad, even if it contained some of these issues which they are claiming are what they're so aggrieved about about this story.

Again, I get why there's a value judgement that the IDF is the bad guys. I agree with that judgement. I'm just saying you don't have to demand that your news coverage obey the same judgements.

To me, stories about the world have value beyond the conclusion being "Hamas good" or "Hamas bad," and can be important even if the conclusion along that axis is "Hamas bad" which we knew already. It seems weird that people are saying that because the conclusion is that Hamas is bad, the story is irrelevant, and also are pretending for some reason that the anti-Palestinian-looking viewpoint is not the entire reason they don't like it.

Hey so check out what I just learned:

To post a link to a post, just search for the URL of the fediverse-icon version of it on your instance, then link directly to that search, chopping off the https://{your instance} from the front

And likewise for links to comments

You're still making the user do 2 clicks instead of 1, but it's still quite a lot more convenient than the other thing. It could be made even nicer (arguably "good enough") if the backend could transparently redirect to the first search result along the lines of "I'm feeling lucky," but it doesn't look like right now it can do that.

Better translation (still machine generated):

Enemy equipment is burning. More specifically, the large anti-submarine ship "Admiral Levchenko" in the Barents Sea. The fight for survivability continues, but we hope it's in vain.

This is what happens when the "superpower" receives sanctions from Ukraine and cannot service the engines produced in Mykolaiv on their own. Ten years were not enough to solve this problem. One of the installations caught fire.

Great training, guys, keep it up.

Just so you understand, there are a few hundred crew members there. Not the "Moskva," of course, but still not bad.

Hm

That's actually a pretty good point. I added a body which explained what's in the article and why I think it's relevant.

I'm a little doubtful that that will lead to it being any more well-received, since as I say I think the issue is people interpreting it as anti-Palestinian and reflexively going on the attack, but yeah there's no reason for it to be cryptic for no reason, so I fixed it.

That's exactly my point though - part of my assertion of a big weakness in C# would be that more mainstream languages (python or node) have massive libraries you can draw on with existing code for simple stuff like parsing robots.txt, whereas C# has one that probably seems pretty luxurious if you're comparing it to nothing, but is well short of what OSS programmers are accustomed to.

So yeah it's not a purely fair language-design comparison but it's a perfectly fair "how easy is it to get stuff done in this language" comparison. And then at a certain point it starts to become not just a convenience but a whole new area of computation (something like numpy or pytorch) that's simply impossible in C# without a whole research project devoted to it to implement. That said, I'm sure there are areas (esp in heavily business-oriented fields like airline or medical backend or whatnot) where it's the other way around, of course, and you have C#-specific stuff for that domain that would be real difficult to replicate in some other environment. I'm not trying to say that side doesn't exist, just saying what's generally applicable to my experience.

So I'm not like being critical of C# because of language features (it seems perfectly fine and functional; I get what the people are saying who say they get work done every day in it and it seems fine.) But also, I think it's relevant that it's missing some big advantages if you're trying to go beyond the "it doesn't actively punish you for using it" stage.

Yeah, yeah, you meant something totally different when you said "There were some stragglers playing hide and seek but the operation was mostly over the second the IDF copters shows up which was within 24 hours. The 'witness allegations' which turned out to be untrue were during the main raid including the festival. The UN report allegations also pertain to the festival. These were the earliest hours." That whole line of argument was something totally different than what it clearly was.

Be that as it may. Let's dive a little bit into "If Hamas would be raping people it would be the kidnapped hostages. Yet that rescued hostage from yesterday did not look very pregnant."

Your assertion is that one woman rescued from captivity who doesn't look very pregnant has some bearing on whether her or any other women are being raped in custody? I mean I follow the basic premise, I just wanna hear a little bit more about the logic and the evidentiary standard here.