She looks like interacting with her is a straight up nightmare
mozz
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“Let’s just divide up Poland and keep the peace. We can focus our whole energy on the western front, you can save yourselves bloodshed by the tanker load, and in a few short years we can share dominion over a subjugated world.”
“You so right, that sounds like a great plan”
“Hey guess what I just decided”
The whole world would have been different. It was still a pretty close thing with help from the Soviets and with Germany fighting a ludicrous two-front war for literally no military or geopolitical reason at all.
James Lujan went to prison
Because he held a political office, and the law enforcement and judicial systems were trying to prosecute someone he was friends with, and he openly tried to use his office to stop them from doing it and cancel the investigation.
And bingo bingo that’s three years in the pen, for “aiding a felon” among some other charges. The judge said “The people of Rio Arriba County elected you to be sheriff. They put their trust in you to uphold the law and you let them down.”
I want to know why this is different. I mean, I kind of know; it’s different because Lujan had no powerful friends. But!
People aren’t as afraid as she wants them to be. Some of them are, and some are just amped up for violence because something is wrong with them, but for the real horror shows to begin next year if Trump wins, ordinary people (like millions of them) have to be frightened enough, maybe not to take part in anything highly irregular, but enough that it won’t bother them that they know it’s going on. Because after all, these are desperate times.
On some level she knows this, she can feel that the tenor of the times just isn’t matching how she needs it to be, just as birds know when it is time to fly to a new place for the winter. I doubt she understands all the reasons and implications any more than the birds do.
But she can feel that it’s wrong, and so she’s trying to just tell people: Be scared. Be more scared. I command it.
She is not undangerous as she is, but she would be a lot more dangerous if she were more cunning.
Usenet had like a 10 month discussion about this after which it was considered definitively proven and agreed upon that this is the answer. Everyone ITT can rehash the discussion if they want but they are only rejecting science.
There will still be colder-than-average summers in the future
No there won’t
What else is he gonna be though that would ever work for him?
That is a 100% serious question.
True that. Netanyahu's a little more extreme than the norm, but as I understand it, yes, Israeli politics is:
- A majority that wants full-on ethnic cleansing
- A minority party that wants oppression and murder but not in a way that's explicitly genocidal or threatens their own security
- And maybe a tiny dissident faction that wants actual human rights for the Palestinians
I'm speaking well of the dissident faction and highlighting its existence in the first place; I'm not saying it's anywhere near the mainstream.
Yes they are. It's the same groups that have been campaigning to end the occupation since before October 7th. It's not a majority or even close to - two-thirds of Israelis support the continuation of the war. But saying "no one" is an absolute falsehood. And, I think propaganda and misunderstanding of the situation on the ground is also a large part (in addition to, yes, some large amount of pure racism and violent vindictiveness that says it's okay if Palestinians are dying because they are bad.)
The wheel you're currently cranking on, is the same wheel that was turning right at the beginning of Israel, and managed to turn its way from "all the Nazis are wrong and evil" around to "the Jews are always the victims about everything" and has now arrived itself at "Israel can do anything it decides to and will still be the victim" and now, on the other side, "all the Israelis are always wrong and evil" is emerging into view coming in the other direction. I am telling you that no matter how hard you crank that wheel, on whichever side, your activity will never crank you around to arrive at a world that is peaceful or just.
(I know I said I'd stop after saying my bit; I just wanted to say a little more on it and shoot down the absolutely false idea that no one in Israel opposes the war on humanitarian grounds.)
I sense the morass of an ever widening pointless argument opening up beneath me.
I'll say my feeling on it and be done, and you're free to disagree: No one should be hated for where they were born, or for wanting a home or a safe place to be. Not a Palestinian, or a Russian, or an Israeli citizen, or someone who was born and grew up in Nazi Germany. If you got born in Israel and managed to penetrate through a significant haze of propaganda and groupthink to realize that what your country is doing on the world stage is a monstrous crime, what should you do?
Advocate for the destruction of your home?
Move away, never to return, renounce your citizenship and want nothing to do with your evil of a country? Yeah, maybe.
But I can also see someone who sees it as their duty to resist Netanyahu's government, tries to set their country back on the right course, advocates for the ICC, and turns out for protests against the government and gets brutalized and arrested for it. That stuff happens too. "Pro Israel" isn't really the right word for those people, no. I actually don't fully disagree with what you're saying, that in the modern world if you are "pro Israel" you're probably a piece of shit (or just totally propagandized / misinformed about what's actually going on, which there's a lot of also). So maybe I shouldn't have phrased it in those terms. But definitely, I think there is a type of Israeli person who is trying to support their home, the only place they've ever known to live, by resisting the Netanyahu government, and is ashamed of Israel but not like "against" them in the sense of, I hate my home and all the people here. You can love the town you grew up in, you can have friends and allies (hopefully, ones who are also horrified by the death and destruction in Gaza) there. You can be "pro" that part of it while still hoping that Netanyahu somehow gets what's coming for him, soon, and all of the killing that's being done in your name stops.
Like I say, I don't think anyone should be hated for where they were born.
(Oh, and also the far ends of the scale have 0 overlap, yes. You cannot be a Zionist and a human rights advocate, if my way of saying it made it sound like I thought you could.)
In-Israel Israel advocacy, and American Judaism, are absolutely chock full of people who are disgusted with Netanyahu’s government and his “war,” in part because of how much he is doing to destroy Israel on the world stage and get Israelis killed for more or less no purpose, as well as the unfolding horror of the apartheid state and genocide he’s enacting in their name.
Zionist advocates and Israel advocates and Jewish advocates and human rights advocates are four sometimes overlapping but distinct categories.
What about that didn’t happen? Enlighten me.