masterofballs

No private keys are sacred in nostr. Just like Bitcoin. You lose it you have to tell all your followers to re follow the new public key .

I’m currious how data is copied around without overloading nodes. It seems like it may also have the problem of some people don’t see some comments on a specific post, which leads to confusing conversations

I don't fully understand how all that works. I know there is some nips about finding out where users usually post stuff too. But i have noticed in some clients i'll see stuff in chat thats not in other's because the relays are different.

That is just the trade off you get for decentralization though

Well, the idea that I can create my own pleroma instance, create an identity, and then go check out noagenda or whoever

I keep seeing this an as argument for the fediverse. But it really is not and i'll tell you why.

If everyone who used the fediverse hosted their own instance they would indeed have decentralized identities.

But they don't.

So in your example, yes you can create your instance and your identity will be separate from noagenda social. But what happens when noagenda social bans you?

Every single user on no agenda social is banned from seeing you.

But yea, that’s why I want to like nostr, mehbe someday a different client

This is fair. And i'm not married to nostr. I believe though in a year or two we should have a pretty solid solution. It's an ok mastodon and twitter alternative for now. Uses a lot of data though.

If people followed identites, rather than identities of an instance

That is exactly how nostr works. And is the main selling point of it. You request a public key from any relay and if that relay has it's data and is willing to share it you get it. Simple.

The fediverse almost does this. I

The fediverse does not do this at all. I'm not sure where you are getting at. They own your identity. Identities in the fediverse are 100% centralized.

It like directly goes to your nervous system. We are hard wired to repeat behavior that has rewards.

If I remember that comment right, wasn’t it more about government takedown of central authorities? Nodes, in this case?

If other powers gain control of the node, what happens?

two points on this.

1. The fediverse has nodes too. But they own identities where nostr nodes do not. However, activity pub also relies on domain name resolution. Nostr does not. so nostr is more decentralized in that regard.

2. Because internet is a common carrier that has government funding in the united states they get free speech protection. So you can host it in your house and it won't be seized. It's just a ip address.

You could even host a relay from your phone.

To be fair, I haven’t studied how nodes even work, but I suspect some will get large enough to self-destruct the whole point. Like lemmy.world, where they seem to ban and block at a whim, unless it’s pedo stuff. That shit stays.

So there will likely always be a couple really large relays everyone uses. But users always use more than one. And data is copied to all of your relays when you post. When one goes down everyone will just shuffle over it's not a big deal. When lemmy.world goes down lots of stuff will be lost forever. Everyone's communities will be orphaned. Accounts gone. ect.

There is no private data on the relays. I can give you a copy of my relay database right now and it's no big deal.

Do we have an evidence of it working before for a social network of sorts?

If you think about it it helps drastically in content creation. Patreon and subscribe star have created whole businesses off the idea. If you get a little money for posting you will be more likely to post. That's why twitter is trying to bribe people to stay by paying top posters with money people have spent signing up for xeeter premium.

I was thinking about this a little and it seems people need to somehow be incentivized to talk to each other even if they disagree on things, not sure how to accomplish this

I actually think the tipping mechanism in nostr helps. It's so easy to send someone penny's people will start paying others to say nice things and that will attract more participation. But that could be used on any platform. What nostr solves is decentralized identities which solves deplatforming issues. The fediverse doesn't have any solutions to de-platforming. Because it never tried to solve that problem. When people realize that on both facebook and the fediverse when they are banned they lose all their followers but on nostr they don't I think they will understand the value of spending your time on nostr instead of the fediverse. Why would I invest years posting on a platform that can take away all my followers at a whim when I can instead do it on a platform where no one can? From a user's perspective nostr just destroys activity pub. From the perspective of someone wanting to control narrative it's a nightmare.

Also the comments about interaction is silly. I get the best troll interaction by making a alt and posting trump memes on Lemmy world. Ican do that infinite times. I want to use nostr because if I want to hear someone a admin cannot stop me.

Lactose intolerant granny.

I haven't run any nostr clients, but I did look at it -- and think it's likely MORE prone to censorship than the fediverse

No it's not. At least in the following way, If you want to hear someone you may. That's the difference. In the fediverse if a admin does not want you to hear someone else they can block that person on your behalf. In nostr they can't. As long as one relay exist that carries that persons data you can get it.

Can filters censor? Yes, but you can turn them off. Switch clients, switch relays. ect.

Even the guy who made scuttlebutt moved to nostr.

This is his pub key npub1wmr34t36fy03m8hvgl96zl3znndyzyaqhwmwdtshwmtkg03fetaqhjg240

It was just to hard to use. And every attempt to make it easier made it work more like nostr.

But in the end nostr was inspired by scuttlebutt and torrent trackers