loudwhisper

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[–] loudwhisper 2 points 2 months ago

That tracking is done in a much more effective and capillary way by tracking cell towers. I think MAC tracking is a much better option, assuming there are enough of these APs to track.

[–] loudwhisper 3 points 3 months ago

Well, windows didn't allow me to do that, so I might have to do a manual process maybe.

Anyway, I am not interested in upgrading, I am just saying that I can't upgrade (click button, couple of steps), without buying a new copy. We can argue about the semantics of what "upgrading" means, but effectively there are going to be plenty of people in my situations, which is why I brought it up.

[–] loudwhisper 4 points 3 months ago

Well, you did call it a "failed experiment", that doesn't sound right when it is the most used OS on the planet, on supercomputers, on servers, on phones.

People answered with a broad response to a broad statement.

Anyway, if this rage is medically induced and this topic seems to trigger you, why not blocking it? I think you can see how you are not going to convince anybody that your experience 20-30 years ago with Linux is applicable today, especially when people with 0 tech skills manage to daily drive a Linux dietro or use it for gaming. So why doing this to yourself?

Researching IED, avoidance for "situations that upset you" seems to be one of the few recommended prevention mechanisms. You will get banned anyway eventually from the community, why not just blocking it in advance?

[–] loudwhisper 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Not in all cases. My desktop PC came with windows professional (10), back in 2021. Upgrading to windows 11 is not included for free (not even to windows 11 "basic"), I need to pay a new license.

[–] loudwhisper -1 points 3 months ago

Email is almost always zero-access encryption (like live chats), considering the % of proton users and the amount of emails between them (or the even smaller % of PGP users). Drive is e2ee like chat history. Basically I see email : chats = drive : history.

Anyway, I agree it could be done better, but I don't really see the big deal. Any user unable to understand this won't get the difference between zero-access and e2e.

[–] loudwhisper 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

They compare it to proton mail and drive that are supposedly e2ee.

Only drive is. Email is not always e2ee, it uses zero-access encryption which I believe is the same exact mechanism used by this chatbot, so the comparison is quite fair tbh.

[–] loudwhisper 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How would you explain it in a way that is both nontechnical, accurate and differentiates yourself from all the other companies that are not doing something even remotely similar? I am asking genuinely because from the perspective of a user that decided to trust the company, zero-access is functionally much closer to e2ee than it is to "regular services", which is the alternative.

[–] loudwhisper 5 points 3 months ago

Scribe can be local, if that's what you are referring to.

They also have a specific section on it at https://proton.me/support/proton-scribe-writing-assistant#local-or-server

Also emails for the most part are not e2ee, they can't be because the other party is not using encryption. They use "zero-access" which is different. It means proton gets the email in clear text, encrypts it with your public PGP key, deletes the original, and sends it to you.

See https://proton.me/support/proton-mail-encryption-explained

The email is encrypted in transit using TLS. It is then unencrypted and re-encrypted (by us) for storage on our servers using zero-access encryption. Once zero-access encryption has been applied, no-one except you can access emails stored on our servers (including us). It is not end-to-end encrypted, however, and might be accessible to the sender’s email service.

[–] loudwhisper 16 points 3 months ago

Over the years I've heard many people claim that proton's servers being in Switzerland is more secure than other EU countries

Things change. They are doing it because Switzerland is proposing legislation that would definitely make that claim untrue. Europe is no paradise, especially certain countries, but it still makes sense.

From the lumo announcement:

Lumo represents one of many investments Proton will be making before the end of the decade to ensure that Europe stays strong, independent, and technologically sovereign. Because of legal uncertainty around Swiss government proposals(new window) to introduce mass surveillance — proposals that have been outlawed in the EU — Proton is moving most of its physical infrastructure out of Switzerland. Lumo will be the first product to move.

This shift represents an investment of over €100 million into the EU proper. While we do not give up the fight for privacy in Switzerland (and will continue to fight proposals that we believe will be extremely damaging to the Swiss economy), Proton is also embracing Europe and helping to develop a sovereign EuroStack(new window) for the future of our home continent. Lumo is European, and proudly so, and here to serve everybody who cares about privacy and security worldwide.

[–] loudwhisper 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

They actually don't explain it in the article. The author doesn't seem to understand why there is a claim of e2e chat history, and zero-access for chats. The point of zero access is trust. You need to trust the provider to do it, because it's not cryptographically veritable. Upstream there is no encryption, and zero-access means providing the service (usually, unencrypted), then encrypting and discarding the plaintext.

Of course the model needs to have access to the context in plaintext, exactly like proton has access to emails sent to non-PGP addresses. What they can do is encrypt the chat histories, because these don't need active processing, and encrypt on the fly the communication between the model (which needs plaintext access) and the client. The same is what happens with scribe.

I personally can't stand LLMs, I am waiting eagerly for this bubble to collapse, but this article is essentially a nothing burger.

[–] loudwhisper 4 points 3 months ago

Porsche is German I believe. Maserati is Italian.

Yeah indeed they are not comparable. I have a huge pickup truck in my building and is on another scale. The problem is also that it's a vicious circle, the more you see cars this big on the road, the more you don't want to be the only one with what looks like a go-kart in comparison.

[–] loudwhisper 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Sorry, but your spelling was too funny and I have to nitpick. Porsche and Maserati*

I said funny because you might want to look up what "porche" means in colloquial Italian.


Indeed these are generally super/sports car, and you see very few of them in Europe, except for exceptionally rich places. Even in Europe though you see many SUV in cities and I started seeing more and more huge tanks (like pickup-trucks), which I think are more common in US right now.

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