kernelle

So then explain to me, how exactly does this impact you? What about you block the meta instance yourself? You will not see any threads content and will continue to use lemmy/ActivityPub in literally the exact same way.

I agree with the premise that Meta is a horrible company and we pay close attention on how its federation progresses. I still have not seen a single argument that holds any weight, from you as well, against the wait and see approach.

"Because it's the right thing to do" is not an argument, it's a statement without anything to back you up. What is right is subjective to everyone.

Also, I have not changed gears, and still firmly believe there's a lot to be gained. Any concerns you have, I already answered. Anyone has a place in the fediverse, because its core principle is exactly that. Don't agree? Then block the fucking instance.

Then go ahead, argue, I'm trying to have a civil conversation.

I host my own server to get away from monopolies, I actively support the development of lemmy and ActivityPub, what do you do exactly but detract credibility from your peers do have genuine concerns.

If you really want to compare social media to drug use, how does the need for decriminalisation fit into this? Don't limit what people can or can't do because you fear the outcome. Let everyone (ie users and admins) decide for themselves which platforms they want to see, and give them the tools to do so.

dwarf anything that the fediverse so far has to offer

You curate your own feed, if you don't like seeing posts from that instance, then block it yourself. Like with NSFW instances, I don't see any in my feed, don't like them? Block them. For new users there will be instances who have defederated and those who have not. Why should your dopamine addiction be my problem? Advocating for every instance to defederate preemptively is more than counter productive, it's the very definition of fear mongering.

So no, your argument does not hold up.

If meta ever defederates or limits the capabilities of fediverse instances, thousands of (again) hooked addicts will flock back to them. It’s literally obvious if you have any experience with addiction.

Then we will defederate, people wanting that algorithmic dopamine hit are already getting it, and people in virtual rehab will know to block anything they want.

There is still no argument against the wait and see approach.

Wait and see is not ignoring anything though, and have not read a single argument against it. Defederation can happen at any time for any reason in the future, why would you preemptively exclude a potential for ActivityPub to get major recognition?

I'm not excluding the possibility an EEE attempt, and meta's track record definitely shows they will try. But people using ActivityPub right now won't stop because a company forked it into their own standard, we are here specifically for the exact opposite. Meta literally has zero influence on any of us, if anything it's the exact opposite.

Also "learning from history" is a weak argument, every server admin as the possibility to defederate at any moment. When even the slightest misstep is placed, everyone defederates and Meta will live in their own little federated world, boo fucking hoo.

And we're using it to look at memes of beans

So what do you all think about [generic controversial topic]

That's what being bored is for! We need to be bored sometimes.

You're still the same person! Now go clean your room.

Aren't we all 10, 40 and 80 at the same time?

Well every conductor is an antenna in theory, in practice it's the signal to noise ratio that matters, and I really don't think this would add anything noticeable. The sticky uppy bit on the OP is connected to ground though so that's negated.